Comcast: Redskins contact DeAngelo Hall, may have deal within 24 hours

mredskins · 11-07-2008, 09:44 AM

Other then this thread I don't see any other web site talking about us signing him.

SC Skins Fan · 11-07-2008, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by SouperMeister

I didn't consider the very short term view (next game), but you're right - we don't match up well with the Dallas passing game if Romo is healthy, and he has Williams, T.O., Crayton, and Witten on the field together. If we can sign Hall through next season on the cheap, he would be on his best behavior to score a big contract in 2010.

Even if Hall signed today I think the only way he would contribute against Dallas is by returning punts. Which would be a significant contribution. He's an improvement over Torrance and Tryon with more upside. His play, though, suggests he is not much more than a nickel corner. If the expectations (and money) are for a 3rd (or 4th in the short term) corner and punt returner than that is fine. If we think we would be getting a long term replacement for Springs I think we are probably fooling ourselves.

While I will admit that the Falcons and Raiders were disfunctional organizations, Nnamdi Asomugha hasn't had much trouble being the best corner in football on that same horrible Oakland team. Hall was more than just a little bit bad for them this year, he has given up more catches or yards than anyone else in the league. Still, if it meant Torrance was relegated to special teams that would be fine by me. Leigh has to be a bigger liability in coverage than Hall would be.

SC Skins Fan · 11-07-2008, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by mredskins

Other then this thread I don't see any other web site talking about us signing him.

Free Agent CB DeAngelo Hall Is Considering Redskins - washingtonpost.com

MTK · 11-07-2008, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by mredskins

Other then this thread I don't see any other web site talking about us signing him.

You must not be looking too hard:

Redskins May Court DeAngelo Hall | NBC Washington

Redskins Pursuing DeAngelo Hall - Redskins Insider

Giants, Jets looking at free-agent cornerback DeAngelo Hall

Free Agent CB DeAngelo Hall Is Considering Redskins - washingtonpost.com

Monkeydad · 11-07-2008, 10:04 AM

I'm surprised by this. If he's a backup for depth or starter while Springs is out, I'm fine with it I guess. Hope he doesn't act up.

Hold on...have to change the radio station, Cowturd is coming on.

Monkeydad · 11-07-2008, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by SC Skins Fan

Even if Hall signed today I think the only way he would contribute against Dallas is by returning punts. Which would be a significant contribution.

You must be thinking of DANTE Hall.

Hog1 · 11-07-2008, 10:06 AM

You should check out the Vinnie show as he will no doubt discuss it

ESPN 980 - Home of the Redskins

GTripp0012 · 11-07-2008, 10:17 AM

The number one mistake that bad organizations make is that they bring in poor coverage CBs because they have starting experience, and then in critical moments they decide to trust said CB because they have been there before. The end result is predictable.

DeAngelo Hall's career best YPA, which he's done twice (2005 and 2007), is 7.4. But his career average YPA through the last 3.5 years (I don't have his rookie numbers) is 8.0. As a passer, Tom Brady's career YPA is 7.2.

On the Redskins this year, Hall's career average of 8.0 yards per attempt puts him behind Fred Smoot and Leigh Torrence in terms of production.

Now, he's 24, and figures to at some point in his career, get a lot better. And ultimately, there is a right price for everyone. I'm just not sure that "Nickel back when Shawn Springs is hurt" is something that's worth signing a head case for, especially when you can already get the same production out of the guys on your team.

Now, if we're talking about signing this guy to be our future post-Springs No. 2 CB at a cheap price while the value is low, I think this is a completely different argument. But based on how similar our coverage schemes are to Oakland's, I think Hall makes us a significantly worse pass defense in the short-term. He's also afraid of contact, which is Smoot one big redeeming quality is that he'll throw his nose in there and hit someone.

Hog1 · 11-07-2008, 10:18 AM

Vinnie was just asked the Question. Both he and Larry sort of glossed over it and did not answer. It did not seem like they were in favor of that possibility of Hall joining the team

BDBohnzie · 11-07-2008, 10:19 AM

The catch-22 to this whole thing is if Springs was healthy, there would be no talk of bringing Hall in at all.

One the one side, Hall has talent to be a good corner and a good returner. On the other side, he got a TO sized ego, and has been suffering in Oakland. The Skins have the veteran leadership (Fletcher, Springs, Taylor) to guide Hall to make better decisions on the field. If we're talking small change, contract worded as such that he can be rewarded for good behavior, I see this as a small risk for a great reward. Worst comes to worst, Tryon is cut or Kelly is IR'd and we cut Hall in 2-3 weeks.

Not saying I would like the signing, but I can understand it...

mredskins · 11-07-2008, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

You must not be looking too hard:

Redskins May Court DeAngelo Hall | NBC Washington

Redskins Pursuing DeAngelo Hall - Redskins Insider

Giants, Jets looking at free-agent cornerback DeAngelo Hall

Free Agent CB DeAngelo Hall Is Considering Redskins - washingtonpost.com

Usually ESPN SI or CBS sports says something.

thansk MAtty!

MTK · 11-07-2008, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by mredskins

Usually ESPN SI or CBS sports says something.

thansk MAtty!

ESPN - Former Raiders cornerback DeAngelo Hall clears Waivers

SC Skins Fan · 11-07-2008, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Buster

You must be thinking of DANTE Hall.

I wasn't, but you make a good point. Looking at his NFL stats Hall has actually only returned 13 punts in his career. He was used as a punt returner at Virginia Tech, which is what I was thinking of. I suspect he was not used as a returner in the NFL because he was highly paid to be a cover corner (though unsuccessful in that role).

It is also possible that his agent is naming the Redskins as a suitor in order to try and drive up the price on his client. That does seem to be a pretty common tactic these days.

mredskins · 11-07-2008, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

ESPN - Former Raiders cornerback DeAngelo Hall clears Waivers

Ok I am having a lazy morning!

#56fanatic · 11-07-2008, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

ARE would cost us close to $7M to release next year. So I doubt that would happen. Plus, he's been a pretty solid WR the last 2 seasons.

i didn't check that out first, thanks. I just didn't see him being kept with Thomas & Kelly being drafted, and being a ton cheaper. So maybe Thrash gets the boot??

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11-07-2008, 09:44 AM	#91
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11-07-2008, 10:04 AM	#95
Monkeydad Living Legend Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: PA Age: 46 Posts: 17,460	Re: Comcast: Redskins contact DeAngelo Hall, may have deal within 24 hours I'm surprised by this. If he's a backup for depth or starter while Springs is out, I'm fine with it I guess. Hope he doesn't act up. Hold on...have to change the radio station, Cowturd is coming on. __________________ Not sent from a Droid, iPhone, Blackberry or toaster

11-07-2008, 10:06 AM	#97
Hog1 Quietly Dominating the East Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Naples, Florida Posts: 10,675	Re: Comcast: Redskins contact DeAngelo Hall, may have deal within 24 hours You should check out the Vinnie show as he will no doubt discuss it ESPN 980 - Home of the Redskins __________________ Goodbye Sean..........Vaya Con Dios thankyou Joe....... *“God made certain people to play football. He was one of them.” – Joe Gibbs*

11-07-2008, 10:17 AM	#98
GTripp0012 Living Legend Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Evanston, IL Age: 37 Posts: 15,994	Re: Comcast: Redskins contact DeAngelo Hall, may have deal within 24 hours The number one mistake that bad organizations make is that they bring in poor coverage CBs because they have starting experience, and then in critical moments they decide to trust said CB because they have been there before. The end result is predictable. DeAngelo Hall's career best YPA, which he's done twice (2005 and 2007), is 7.4. But his career average YPA through the last 3.5 years (I don't have his rookie numbers) is 8.0. As a passer, Tom Brady's career YPA is 7.2. On the Redskins this year, Hall's career average of 8.0 yards per attempt puts him behind Fred Smoot and Leigh Torrence in terms of production. Now, he's 24, and figures to at some point in his career, get a lot better. And ultimately, there is a right price for everyone. I'm just not sure that "Nickel back when Shawn Springs is hurt" is something that's worth signing a head case for, especially when you can already get the same production out of the guys on your team. Now, if we're talking about signing this guy to be our future post-Springs No. 2 CB at a cheap price while the value is low, I think this is a completely different argument. But based on how similar our coverage schemes are to Oakland's, I think Hall makes us a significantly worse pass defense in the short-term. He's also afraid of contact, which is Smoot one big redeeming quality is that he'll throw his nose in there and hit someone. __________________ according to a source with knowledge of the situation.

11-07-2008, 10:18 AM	#99
Hog1 Quietly Dominating the East Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Naples, Florida Posts: 10,675	Re: Comcast: Redskins contact DeAngelo Hall, may have deal within 24 hours Vinnie was just asked the Question. Both he and Larry sort of glossed over it and did not answer. It did not seem like they were in favor of that possibility of Hall joining the team __________________ Goodbye Sean..........Vaya Con Dios thankyou Joe....... *“God made certain people to play football. He was one of them.” – Joe Gibbs*

11-07-2008, 10:19 AM	#100
BDBohnzie Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Frederick, MD Age: 46 Posts: 4,628	Re: Comcast: Redskins contact DeAngelo Hall, may have deal within 24 hours The catch-22 to this whole thing is if Springs was healthy, there would be no talk of bringing Hall in at all. One the one side, Hall has talent to be a good corner and a good returner. On the other side, he got a TO sized ego, and has been suffering in Oakland. The Skins have the veteran leadership (Fletcher, Springs, Taylor) to guide Hall to make better decisions on the field. If we're talking small change, contract worded as such that he can be rewarded for good behavior, I see this as a small risk for a great reward. Worst comes to worst, Tryon is cut or Kelly is IR'd and we cut Hall in 2-3 weeks. Not saying I would like the signing, but I can understand it... __________________ Bad Things man, I mean bad things... “WE TOOK HIM IN THE SIXTH ROUND SO WE'RE NOT SMART EITHER.” - Shanny on what the Skins saw in Alfred Morris

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