Let's talk about the front office situation

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

im in a wait and see mode. i like allen being the clear head person in charge ... but a part of me is very afraid he will allow DS to whisper in his ear but deny DS doing so.

On the major major decisions, don't you think most owners around the league are doing this anyway? Irsay tweeted the crap out of the Andrew Luck process and pick. All owners want to be involved in the picking of head coaches. But as long as Snyder is not choosing who he wants as a 5th round pick like Jerruh is in Dallas, then that's the norm in the NFL and absolutely fine with me.

I want a coach who coaches and an administrative department who administrates and picks players, and an owner who puts his stamp on it but doesn't meddle. I like the model they're headed towards, as long as they can find a coach who is OK with Allen picking the players - through reliance on his scouting dept - I hate to say Allen is picking the players because all he'll be doing is relying on Brown and Campbell.

Sounds like they're targeting Sean McDermott and Darrell Bevell in early interviews. I doubt those guys would be the types to insist on total personnel control.

[Schneed10]

As for Allen's credentials, people love to point to his failure in Tampa. Well look at those years, the team was aging from its SB glory and had to turn over for salary cap purposes. Sapp had to retire, Simeon Rice got old, John Lynch's cap number got too high, and most importantly of all, Brad Johnson got too old and they had to turnover the QB position.

Hard to hold Allen and Gruden responsible when there's no franchise QB on the roster. I really do think things will look up for us under this new model and with RG3 in tow. Heck, this year alone we could make major strides if we're smart with all this cap space we have. We will be shoppers, that's for sure.

[saden1]

It is my firm belief that so long as Snyder is the owner the GM position is merely ceremonial.

It's hard to have confidence in Bruce Allen given the last 4 years and his lack of leadership.

[WillH]

So I just watched the presser, and I apologize, because it is pretty clear in the video that my concerns were due to misinterpreting the transcribed statement. I really appreciate that some people were willing to point that out politely. Some people here were rude about my mistake, and maybe I should have watched the video before posting, but you know, not everyone has time to sit down and do that. You really took the fun out of this site for me, why post anything if an honest mistake will be greeted with mocking? Ok, I know I'm being way too sensitive about it, but generally I have valid opinions and this kind of thing makes me not want to post here. That is why I have been on this site for almost 8 years and have so few posts. It really amazes me, because you've have made yourselves out to be more reasonable people than ExtremeSkins, but maybe I'll post my stupid thoughts there instead. Anyways, just felt like putting that out there. Happy New Year!

[Redskins_P]

Originally Posted by WillH

So I just watched the presser, and I apologize, because it is pretty clear in the video that my concerns were due to misinterpreting the transcribed statement. I really appreciate that some people were willing to point that out politely. Some people here were rude about my mistake, and maybe I should have watched the video before posting, but you know, not everyone has time to sit down and do that. You really took the fun out of this site for me, why post anything if an honest mistake will be greeted with mocking? Ok, I know I'm being way too sensitive about it, but generally I have valid opinions and this kind of thing makes me not want to post here. That is why I have been on this site for almost 8 years and have so few posts. It really amazes me, because you've have made yourselves out to be more reasonable people than ExtremeSkins, but maybe I'll post my stupid thoughts there instead. Anyways, just felt like putting that out there. Happy New Year!

Hey man didn't mean to make you feel that way. In the end we all want the same thing and we're passionate about it. Just do us a favor and never compare this site to that shithole extremeskins

Happy New Year to all.

[WillH]

Originally Posted by Redskins_P

Hey man didn't mean to make you feel that way. In the end we all want the same thing and we're passionate about it. Just do us a favor and never compare this site to that shithole extremeskins

Happy New Year to all.

Thank you, I sincerely did not expect an apology from anyone. And certainly going to ES is an idle threat, just blowing off steam, but Thanks!

[FRPLG]

The structure is fine...whether the people are any good is what we'll find out. I have said it in the past...doing things the right way doesn't mean you're doing the right things. Shanny is the prime example. He was a good hire in that he was able to come in and run a professional org..he just sucked at making the right decisions essentially.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

You clearly have no knowledge of how the Redskins front office worked under Shanahan. I would draw you an org structure but this isn't MS Word.

Shanahan reported to Snyder. Allen reported to Shanahan. Campbell and Brown reported to Allen.

All personnel decisions were made by Mike. Salary cap functions, scouting functions, non-football operations and alumni relations were handled by Allen. It was up to Shanahan to decide how do best make use of Allen and his resources.

Allen is not to blame for anything.

This. People say GM in title only like that's a bad thing. I think it should be obvious BA wasn't making personnel decisions over Shanahan. As far as the new structure goes, I don't have a problem with it as long as Bruce Allen isn't scouting players or doing Campbell or Brown's job. Let them do their jobs and let BA just manage the two. I don't mind him making personnel decisions as long as he's picking between guys that Campbell/Brown scouted.

[Schneed10]

Exactly mooby. I think people need to understand that the most effective CEOs do almost nothing themselves. They think strategically and put people in the right position. NFL coaches and GMs are in the same boat. That will be Allen's role as the personnel czar.

Cerrato tried to do everything himself, ignoring the scouting department. And his moves were asinine. Just make sure you have the right people in place, and concentrate on keeping a workable environment where everyone can freely weigh in without fear of reprisal. Then by simply being a subscriber to the common sense newsletter, you can make very sound decisions. Allen is so mature and clearly a slick politician, I guarantee he understands how to manage people.

[Schneed10]

And that includes managing up.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Exactly mooby. I think people need to understand that the most effective CEOs do almost nothing themselves. They think strategically and put people in the right position. NFL coaches and GMs are in the same boat. That will be Allen's role as the personnel czar.

Cerrato tried to do everything himself, ignoring the scouting department. And his moves were asinine. Just make sure you have the right people in place, and concentrate on keeping a workable environment where everyone can freely weigh in without fear of reprisal. Then by simply being a subscriber to the common sense newsletter, you can make very sound decisions. Allen is so mature and clearly a slick politician, I guarantee he understands how to manage people.

This. I'll take BA up there over Vinny a million times over. In a sense we haven't really seen the abilities of Brown and Campbell through Vinny then Shanarat. Maybe we can do better than Brown like SS says but it's a great start for now.

[WillH]

So, now that Shanahan is gone it sounds like a lot of you think the culture of the organization is going to dramatically improve instantly. Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but it is hard for me to be so optimistic about a FO at least inactively involved in the past four years, not to mention these organizational culture issues have been around for almost 2 decades. After all the crap I've seen I'm going to remain skeptical until I see results.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by WillH

So, now that Shanahan is gone it sounds like a lot of you think the culture of the organization is going to dramatically improve instantly. Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but it is hard for me to be so optimistic about a FO at least inactively involved in the past four years, not to mention these organizational culture issues have been around for almost 2 decades. After all the crap I've seen I'm going to remain skeptical until I see results.

I mean there's good reason to be skeptical, the last guy we trusted to build a team was also the head coach that led us to a 3-13 year. There's a lot of trust we're going to have to put in Bruce Allen that he will be able to do this, and a lot of trust will be placed on Campbell and Brown to do their jobs effectively, because if they don't word will definitely get around the NFL.

We're basically placing our trust in a group of guys and saying,"ok now the onus is on you to prove you are a smart talent evaluator. Now go do it." Only way we'll be able to effectively judge them is in a couple of years. But I do think they deserve their shot, especially Morocco Brown considering there are teams out there that might be considering him for a GM job. If that's true then it says a lot about what other teams think of him, and if he's that valuable a piece I'd love to keep him and put him in a role where we trust him to evaluate talent. I mean personally, is this any more risky than hiring another guy who wants complete control over everything? There's risks in any move you make.

[Jayroc24]

I think at this point we have to believe that BA will make the best choice for the organization. I do like that all statements came from BA and not Snyder, Allen doesn't strike me as a puppet kind of guy. Let's not forget that they hired AJ last year, Snyder and Allen must have seen something back then that would have them hire AJ. He has a reputation being a great talent evaluator but poor with letting talent walk out the door That won't happen here.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by WillH

So, now that Shanahan is gone it sounds like a lot of you think the culture of the organization is going to dramatically improve instantly. Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but it is hard for me to be so optimistic about a FO at least inactively involved in the past four years, not to mention these organizational culture issues have been around for almost 2 decades. After all the crap I've seen I'm going to remain skeptical until I see results.

I can certainly understand your viewpoint. You have good reason to be skeptical but I like that you're giving it a chance.

If I relied more on my head and less on my heart then I couldn't be a Redskins fan. But I grew up in D.C. and in my childhood I loved the Redskins unconditionally. Right now, I'm trying to view the Redskins optimistically, as if through the eyes of a child. It makes me happier.