Do you trust Gibbs?

[bertoskins]

yess

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by illdefined

its fine (and sensible) to trust coach Gibbs's conviction over your own. but stop pretending you've never questioned him.

EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOU doubted Gibb's decision to keep Brunell in so long last year.

please stop claiming the bandwagon to yourselves this year or put an asterisk next to the slogans where you replace the word God for Gibbs.

I do feel comparing Joe Gibbs to God is very Sacrilegious. I also feel nobody on this planet deserves such a comparison. Now, all the great coaches in the league have made questionable decisions. Coach Gibbs wasn't perfect in his first tenure. Jimmy Johnson wasn't perfect, Bill Walsh wasn't perfect, Bill Belichick isn't perfect.....I don't believe any Gibbs supporter, or at least most, have never questioned decisions Gibbs has made. That isn't the point of the thread.

The question is, "Do you trust Joe Gibbs?" Has Joe Gibbs given any reason for us not to trust him? Has he given us reason to question him....of course! He always has. Every coach will eventually give us reasons to question their decisions. However, it's the big picture that alot of us are looking at. While some may question Gibbs more than others, most of us have to agree that Joe Gibbs makes his decisions based on what he feels is best for this team, and what gives us the best opportunity to win. We can only judge that by what we see on television. We're not there in the locker rooms or on the practice field. Therefore, there is no reason why the coach would not be trusted. He's there with the team constantly.....we're not! That fact, coupled with his accomplishments make it a no-brainer to trust Coach Gibbs.

The thing about the bandwagon is simply this: whether out of pure emotion or sincere thoughts, several have displayed down right hatred of the coach. Even one guy stated he wanted Joe Gibbs and Mark Brunell killed. I do believe those types of people only see the small portions of the picture, and refuse to take a step back and see the entire picture. Those of us who are on the "Bandwagon" are simply there because we trust Joe Gibbs and right or wrong, we'll stick with the team and go down in flames if that is what happens. That's isn't to say we're never going to question Joe Gibbs or assume he's right 100% all the time. It just simply means, we're not going to be some type of weak minded fan who throws in the towel half way through the season or even as stupid as it has sounded to me....to throw in the towel after the first game of the season - a WIN at that! To me, that's not enjoying the game of football!

[MTK]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

I do feel comparing Joe Gibbs to God is very Sacrilegious. I also feel nobody on this planet deserves such a comparison. Now, all the great coaches in the league have made questionable decisions. Coach Gibbs wasn't perfect in his first tenure. Jimmy Johnson wasn't perfect, Bill Walsh wasn't perfect, Bill Belichick isn't perfect.....I don't believe any Gibbs supporter, or at least most, have never questioned decisions Gibbs has made. That isn't the point of the thread.

The question is, "Do you trust Joe Gibbs?" Has Joe Gibbs given any reason for us not to trust him? Has he given us reason to question him....of course! He always has. Every coach will eventually give us reasons to question their decisions. However, it's the big picture that alot of us are looking at. While some may question Gibbs more than others, most of us have to agree that Joe Gibbs makes his decisions based on what he feels is best for this team, and what gives us the best opportunity to win. We can only judge that by what we see on television. We're not there in the locker rooms or on the practice field. Therefore, there is no reason why the coach would not be trusted. He's there with the team constantly.....we're not! That fact, coupled with his accomplishments make it a no-brainer to trust Coach Gibbs.

The thing about the bandwagon is simply this: whether out of pure emotion or sincere thoughts, several have displayed down right hatred of the coach. Even one guy stated he wanted Joe Gibbs and Mark Brunell killed. I do believe those types of people only see the small portions of the picture, and refuse to take a step back and see the entire picture. Those of us who are on the "Bandwagon" are simply there because we trust Joe Gibbs and right or wrong, we'll stick with the team and go down in flames if that is what happens. That's isn't to say we're never going to question Joe Gibbs or assume he's right 100% all the time. It just simply means, we're not going to be some type of weak minded fan who throws in the towel half way through the season or even as stupid as it has sounded to me....to throw in the towel after the first game of the season - a WIN at that! To me, that's not enjoying the game of football!

Great post

[Blue Star]

No he has no idea what hes doing but then again thats a good thing for Dallas.

[STPainmaker]

Originally Posted by Blue Star

No he has no idea what hes doing but then again thats a good thing for Dallas.

How many super bowls has your coach won???? Who does your coach say is the most difficult coach he has ever coached against??? Who won more super bowls then your coach w/ less talent??? Enough said, we can rank on our coach you can't. We love our own here we don't take legends take them out to the pasture take off their fidora's and put a bullet in the back of their head a la Tom Landry.

Gibbs will win again in DC and may the streets flow with the blood of the non believers including C boy fans, non believing skins fans, or WHOEVER!!!!!!!!!

I'm going to bed now.

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

The thing about the bandwagon is simply this: whether out of pure emotion or sincere thoughts, several have displayed down right hatred of the coach. Even one guy stated he wanted Joe Gibbs and Mark Brunell killed. I do believe those types of people only see the small portions of the picture, and refuse to take a step back and see the entire picture. Those of us who are on the "Bandwagon" are simply there because we trust Joe Gibbs and right or wrong, we'll stick with the team and go down in flames if that is what happens. That's isn't to say we're never going to question Joe Gibbs or assume he's right 100% all the time. It just simply means, we're not going to be some type of weak minded fan who throws in the towel half way through the season or even as stupid as it has sounded to me....to throw in the towel after the first game of the season - a WIN at that! To me, that's not enjoying the game of football!

merely questioning Gibbs on this board gets the same reaction as if we were wishing him dead. and from the same people who have questioned him before. whats the difference? that the questions began in week 2 instead of week 7? i already explained the difference between trust and "big picture" faith. i dont think anybody except maybe the one homicidal guy you mentioned, doesn't want Gibbs to be the coach of our favorite team.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by illdefined

merely questioning Gibbs on this board gets the same reaction as if we were wishing him dead. and from the same people who have questioned him before.

Yeah, okay, whatever!

Originally Posted by illdefined

whats the difference? that the questions began in week 2 instead of week 7? i already explained the difference between trust and "big picture" faith. i dont think anybody except maybe the one homicidal guy you mentioned, doesn't want Gibbs to be the coach of our favorite team.

Obviously a huge difference between week 2 and week 7. Only one game is played by week 2....it's impossible to judge an entire season based on what happens in week 1. That's what people are doing now, and in my opinion, I think it's a knee-jerk reaction...it's just senseless. At least by week 7, the team has played several games, but even then, nobody knows how the season is going to end up.

Reminds me back in the mid 90's, when we went 8-1, only to end the season at 8-8. Knowing this, people dumping on the team after week one is laughable. :cheeky-sm

[joecrisp]

First, let's clear up what exactly the word "trust" means:

From Merriam-Webster's:

Main Entry: trust
Function: verb

transitive senses
1 a : to commit or place in one's care or keeping : ENTRUST b : to permit to stay or go or to do something without fear or misgiving
2 a : to rely on the truthfulness or accuracy of : BELIEVE b : to place confidence in : rely on c : to hope or expect confidently
3 : to extend credit to

Now for the question: Do I "trust" Gibbs?
1a : Based purely on Gibbs's success in his first tenure as Redskins' coach (which I witnessed and which made me a Redskins fan to begin with), I was initially-- and enthusiastically-- willing "to commit my beloved Redskins to his care" this time around as well. However, the poor manner in which I feel he's handled the entire Brunell/Ramsey situation (from the very beginning of Brunell's acquisition process, to this latest QB switch), his ineffectiveness as both an offensive strategist and head coach last season, the poorly disguised and executed maneuvering to draft Jason Campbell, and other miscues have eroded much of my trust of Joe Gibbs in this regard.

1b : After experiencing the excruciating pain of watching Gibbs's offense last season, it's difficult for me to watch it this season "without fear or misgiving" that I could very well see more of the same this season. Sure, there have been some changes in the playbook, Jansen's back in the lineup (if not entirely healthy!), and many of the players have had another year to learn the offense. What concerns me is not so much the plays in the playbook or the players executing them, but Gibbs's conservativeness in orchestrating those components, and his inability to effectively counter today's aggressive defenses with a punishing offense.

Every time I watch the Redskins these days, I'm fearful of what will transpire, and most of that fear is a product of Gibbs's performance over the past 18 months.

2a : It's difficult for me "to rely on the truthfulness or accuracy of" what Gibbs says or does these days [see "Ramsey, Patrick"].

2b : It's difficult for me "to place confidence in" Gibbs as a coach these days [see "2004 regular season record"; "2004 offensive statistics"; "Brunell, Mark"] or "rely on" him to do what's best for the team.

2c : Based on everything that's happened since Gibbs's return as head coach, I generally don't "hope or expect confidently" that Gibbs will lead the Redskins to victory on any given Sunday [see "2004 regular season record"].

3 : When Gibbs became head coach of the Washington Redskins for the second time, most Redskins fans-- including myself-- were willing "to extend credit to" Gibbs for his brilliant success with the team during the '80s and early '90s. However, even Gibbs himself has said that the past buys us nothing but fond memories. Since the recent past tells me "6-10", I'm not that fond of the idea of extending Gibbs any more credit.

Can I change my mind? Absolutely. But Gibbs is going to have to earn back every bit of credit that I might give him in the future.

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

Reminds me back in the mid 90's, when we went 8-1, only to end the season at 8-8. Knowing this, people dumping on the team after week one is laughable.

who'd dumping on the team? who's calling it an end to the season? this is exactly what i'm talking about. i haven't done anything even remotely like that, but that's what someone who's not behind Gibb's every decision is accused of.

there's a huge double standard going on when it comes to Gibbs, his SuperBowls matter but somehow last year doesn't. BOTH matter. just because you only want to look at the good and dismiss the bad, doesn't mean it doesn't exist, doesn't apply now, or that you're a bigger fan. on the contrary, looking at, and discussing both the good and bad, means you're perceptive and accept the team flaws and all. that's a fan.

Crisp, what you said made too much sense. beware the coming sarcasm asking you how many Superbowls YOU'VE won...

[offiss]

Originally Posted by illdefined

who'd dumping on the team? who's calling it an end to the season? this is exactly what i'm talking about. i haven't done anything even remotely like that, but that's what someone who's not behind Gibb's every decision is accused of.

there's a huge double standard going on when it comes to Gibbs, his SuperBowls matter but somehow last year doesn't. BOTH matter. just because you only want to look at the good and dismiss the bad, doesn't mean it doesn't exist, doesn't apply now, or that you're a bigger fan. on the contrary, looking at, and discussing both the good and bad, means you're perceptive and accept the team flaws and all. that's a fan.

Crisp, what you said made too much sense. beware the coming sarcasm asking you how many Superbowls YOU'VE won...

You got that right, welcome to the darkside Joe C.

[saskin]

Originally Posted by STPainmaker

How many super bowls has your coach won???? Who does your coach say is the most difficult coach he has ever coached against??? Who won more super bowls then your coach w/ less talent??? Enough said, we can rank on our coach you can't. We love our own here we don't take legends take them out to the pasture take off their fidora's and put a bullet in the back of their head a la Tom Landry.

Gibbs will win again in DC and may the streets flow with the blood of the non believers including C boy fans, non believing skins fans, or WHOEVER!!!!!!!!!

I'm going to bed now.

Very well said!

[tommynoker]

Originally Posted by STPainmaker

I wouldn't say that so fast 1st of all:

Brady was overlooked by every team in the league an average of 5 times during the draft.

He also didn't take over the pats until his second season.

I am not saying Campbell = Brady but you just don't know what JC is capable of.

Hey, you are Diverting my point! The question is DO YOU TRUST JOE GIBBS. The Campbell/ Brady was a nexample of why I do nor trust Gibbs. Other than the fact that he is not The God Coach any longer, he (and Snuder ) are devious and not very convincing liaes! Why not come right out and say that their plan is to replace Ramsey with Brunell for ONE or TWO games and then bring in the rookie. Gibbs and Snyder want to see a RETURN on THEIR INVESTMENT!!

Understand....Dear CONCHA??

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by illdefined

who'd dumping on the team? who's calling it an end to the season? this is exactly what i'm talking about. i haven't done anything even remotely like that, but that's what someone who's not behind Gibb's every decision is accused of.

Whoa dude....hold the phone! Show me where I said, "Illdefined is dumping on the team!" I never once accused you of such so don't cry foul when you assume I have. If you feel the need to take what I say personally or wrong, just add my name to your ignore list and go about your business.


I respect those who present their argument with well thought out posts...I'm refering to those who resort in "Gibbs needs to die" or "We suck" as their only argument.

[STPainmaker]

Originally Posted by tommynoker

Understand....Dear CONCHA??

Huh???

[illdefined]

well questioning the QB decision in week2 doesn't mean i'm "throwing in the towel for the season" either. does that apply? you were quoting me when you said those things, hence the response.

thankfully, i don't see many "Kill Gibbs" or "We Suck" arguments on this board. i do see a lot of people take arguments that way however.