Brandon Lloyd

dgack · 03-10-2006, 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by 81toHOF

i would gladly give up a second rounder for lloyd. the dude is a freak. he's got the best hands in the league. reminds me bit of a young chris carter....minus the off-field transgressions.

The best hands in the league? You're kidding, right? Even among young receivers, R.O.Y. Williams makes Lloyd look like an O-Lineman.

MTK · 03-10-2006, 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by SC Skins Fan

Amen brother. I mean if we are trying to make that final push why are we targeting a bunch of 49ers players? Didn't we beat them by like 50 last year? I don't think Llyod is the kind of guy we need in the locker room. From all I've heard he doesn't strike me as a very good team guy and if we learned anything about the Skins this past season it is that they had great chemistry and played with amazing heart. Isn't that why we all loved cheering for them so much? I don't want another 2000 debacle . . . that was an absolute disaster . . . didn't the Danny learn anything from that?

One other thing. Why are we targeting Adam Archuleta? He is basically another linebacker who struggles against the pass. Shouldn't we be targeting a centerfielder type safety who can free up Sean Taylor to play more in the box, rush the qb, lay big hits, etc? Hopefully I am dead wrong since it looks like this is the direction the Skins are headed, but I just don't see Llyod, Archuleta, and Carter as the answers. Who I would really like to see in DC are David Givens, Nate Clements, and Darren Howard. I guess the latter two might be too expensive, but I can't imagine that Givens would command too much more money than Lloyd and he doesn't require a draft pick. I don't like having to overpay and then give up picks . . . I think the Skins have been too cavalier in the past few years in dealing those picks . . . I just don't think Llyod is worth it.

Apologies for providing the voice of doom . . . I guess I am just pessimistic by nature . . .

Since Gibbs came back the Skins have been almost dead-on with their free agent/trade acquisitons. Griffin, Springs, Washington, Portis, Brunell, Rabach, Moss, just to name the major ones.

Sit back and relax, we're in good hands.

Pocket$ $traight · 03-10-2006, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by SC Skins Fan

Amen brother. I mean if we are trying to make that final push why are we targeting a bunch of 49ers players? Didn't we beat them by like 50 last year? I don't think Llyod is the kind of guy we need in the locker room. From all I've heard he doesn't strike me as a very good team guy and if we learned anything about the Skins this past season it is that they had great chemistry and played with amazing heart. Isn't that why we all loved cheering for them so much? I don't want another 2000 debacle . . . that was an absolute disaster . . . didn't the Danny learn anything from that?

One other thing. Why are we targeting Adam Archuleta? He is basically another linebacker who struggles against the pass. Shouldn't we be targeting a centerfielder type safety who can free up Sean Taylor to play more in the box, rush the qb, lay big hits, etc? Hopefully I am dead wrong since it looks like this is the direction the Skins are headed, but I just don't see Llyod, Archuleta, and Carter as the answers. Who I would really like to see in DC are David Givens, Nate Clements, and Darren Howard. I guess the latter two might be too expensive, but I can't imagine that Givens would command too much more money than Lloyd and he doesn't require a draft pick. I don't like having to overpay and then give up picks . . . I think the Skins have been too cavalier in the past few years in dealing those picks . . . I just don't think Llyod is worth it.

Apologies for providing the voice of doom . . . I guess I am just pessimistic by nature . . .

We had them by 40 something until Lavar gave up that 70+ yarder to Frank Gore!

Monksdown · 03-10-2006, 11:41 PM

no, i think he's right about his hands being the best in the league. and i would like to go ahead and through this out: Mark Brunell is the youngest qb in the league.

SC Skins Fan · 03-10-2006, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Since Gibbs came back the Skins have been almost dead-on with their free agent/trade acquisitons. Griffin, Springs, Washington, Portis, Brunell, Rabach, Moss, just to name the major ones.

Sit back and relax, we're in good hands.

Fair enough . . .

Schneed10 · 03-10-2006, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Since Gibbs came back the Skins have been almost dead-on with their free agent/trade acquisitons. Griffin, Springs, Washington, Portis, Brunell, Rabach, Moss, just to name the major ones.

Sit back and relax, we're in good hands.

This is very true. Gibbs has earned the benefit of the doubt. If there's a player he really wants, that player is likely to be a good addition.

dgack · 03-10-2006, 11:48 PM

Nice highlight reel. When your team is getting killed every week and all you can do is throw hail marys, you get plenty of chances.

Here's a little apples to apples comparison for you:

Lloyd was tied for 15th in the NFC in targets last season with 109
Santana was 9th with 134

Santana caught 84 of those passes.
Lloyd caught 48. He finished sixth in the NFC in "passes not caught".

That Guy · 03-11-2006, 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Monksdown

have another look

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...=brandon+lloyd

again, notice its like 3-4 catches replayed 4 times each. anyone can look awesome for four plays.

Monksdown · 03-11-2006, 08:26 AM

i did notice that. thank you though.

SC Skins Fan · 03-11-2006, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by dgack

Nice highlight reel. When your team is getting killed every week and all you can do is throw hail marys, you get plenty of chances.

Here's a little apples to apples comparison for you:

Lloyd was tied for 15th in the NFC in targets last season with 109
Santana was 9th with 134

Santana caught 84 of those passes.
Lloyd caught 48. He finished sixth in the NFC in "passes not caught".

Great stat. That would make me nervous. Llyod would probably be a good #2, but having to give up picks for his inconsistency concerns me.

JoeRedskin · 03-11-2006, 11:10 AM

Here is ESPN Insider's take on the guy:

"Lloyd has marginal size for a receiver lacking both the ideal height and the bulk for the position. However, he makes up for his lack of ideal size with excellent athletic ability. He has very good foot quickness and good speed, though his top end speed is not in the elite class. He has a good surge off the line of scrimmage and runs precise routes. He has a burst coming out of his cuts to get separation and shows the ability to move a defender who is in man coverage with very little wasted motion. He uses his hands and his foot quickness to get off press coverage and knows how to find the voids in coverage. He has excellent hands and can make the acrobatic catch. He shows excellent focus and concentration on the ball when it is in the air, and with his long arms and his leaping ability, he will win most jump ball contests. He can be a threat with the ball in his hands and has a good feel for where he is on the field and where the sideline is at all times. He lacks the physical stature to be a physical blocker down field and is more of a screen and wall off guy. A big, strong defensive back can muscle him out of his routes on occasion. Overall, he needs to improve his strength and is becoming a reliable go-to receiver with excellent hands who is competitive for the ball in any situation. He usually catches what he can touch."

I recognize the stat say what the stat's say - but as Daseal points out: how many of those balls were catchable by anyone? Do you suppose that Moss would have had as much success in SF as he had here?

As a comparison (so we can compare their analysis of LLoyd to their analysis of someone we know), here is ESPN Scouts take on Rod Gardner:
"He is difficult to get out of his routes. He has great hands and the speed to be a vertical threat. He can make the catch with arms extended and has a great feel for the sideline catch. He is inconsistent and must improve his focus and attention to details. He has improved his route running a great deal but sometimes fails to accelerate out of his cuts and get separation. He takes plays off when he isn't the primary receiver. His blocking effort can be halfhearted. He doesn't have a good feel for attacking coverage. He lacks elite speed and elusiveness after the catch. He is a gifted athlete who doesn't maximize his talent."

Now if "Great Hands" means he can make any catch when he focuses, I would agree. Gardner could make any catch he wanted to - he just didn't "want to" about 50% of the time.

So if the statement LLoyd has "excellent hands" is a reflection of abiltiy - great, b/c it appears he doesn't have the same knock on him as Gardner concerning concentration.

Actually, LLoyd's description seems to me to be very similar to Moss.

Big C · 03-11-2006, 12:23 PM

i dont really want lloyd, like ppl have said, he has a highlight reel where he makes a few amazing catches, but hasnt put up numbers over a season

SmootSmack · 03-11-2006, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Big C

i dont really want lloyd, like ppl have said, he has a highlight reel where he makes a few amazing catches, but hasnt put up numbers over a season

I want Antonio Bryant. I'd like Jurevicius as well but I don't think we have a legit shot at him, so I say Bryant.

If Lloyd were simply a UFA, then I might be more inclined to want him. Not crazy about giving up two picks, even mid-rounders, for him.

steveo395 · 03-11-2006, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Big C

i dont really want lloyd, like ppl have said, he has a highlight reel where he makes a few amazing catches, but hasnt put up numbers over a season

http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/396021
he just caught 48 passes for 733 yards, 5td and a 15.3 avg.

and he did that being on the worst offense in the league by far, with the worst starting qbs throwing to him (and there were 4 of them)

dgack · 03-11-2006, 12:35 PM

[q]I recognize the stat say what the stat's say - but as Daseal points out: how many of those balls were catchable by anyone? Do you suppose that Moss would have had as much success in SF as he had here?[/q]

Again, when you're throwing all game long in desperation mode, why wouldn't you get a lot more chances to catch footballs? Santana was "the other option" on a run first team, for cripes' sake.

I think most people believe Lloyd could be a decent receiver. The question is how much we're paying to get him. I am in no rush to buy the next Peerless Price.

03-10-2006, 11:41 PM	#109
Monksdown The Starter Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Warrenton, Virginia Age: 45 Posts: 1,515	Re: Brandon Lloyd no, i think he's right about his hands being the best in the league. and i would like to go ahead and through this out: Mark Brunell is the youngest qb in the league.

03-10-2006, 11:48 PM	#112
dgack The Starter Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: The ATX (formerly Balmer) Posts: 1,125	Re: Brandon Lloyd Nice highlight reel. When your team is getting killed every week and all you can do is throw hail marys, you get plenty of chances. Here's a little apples to apples comparison for you: Lloyd was tied for 15th in the NFC in targets last season with 109 Santana was 9th with 134 Santana caught 84 of those passes. Lloyd caught 48. He finished sixth in the NFC in "passes not caught".

03-11-2006, 08:26 AM	#114
Monksdown The Starter Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Warrenton, Virginia Age: 45 Posts: 1,515	Re: Brandon Lloyd i did notice that. thank you though.

03-11-2006, 11:10 AM	#116
JoeRedskin Contains football related knowledge Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Second Star On The Right Age: 62 Posts: 10,401	Re: Brandon Lloyd Here is ESPN Insider's take on the guy: "Lloyd has marginal size for a receiver lacking both the ideal height and the bulk for the position. However, he makes up for his lack of ideal size with excellent athletic ability. He has very good foot quickness and good speed, though his top end speed is not in the elite class. He has a good surge off the line of scrimmage and runs precise routes. He has a burst coming out of his cuts to get separation and shows the ability to move a defender who is in man coverage with very little wasted motion. He uses his hands and his foot quickness to get off press coverage and knows how to find the voids in coverage. He has excellent hands and can make the acrobatic catch. He shows excellent focus and concentration on the ball when it is in the air, and with his long arms and his leaping ability, he will win most jump ball contests. He can be a threat with the ball in his hands and has a good feel for where he is on the field and where the sideline is at all times. He lacks the physical stature to be a physical blocker down field and is more of a screen and wall off guy. A big, strong defensive back can muscle him out of his routes on occasion. Overall, he needs to improve his strength and is becoming a reliable go-to receiver with excellent hands who is competitive for the ball in any situation. He usually catches what he can touch." I recognize the stat say what the stat's say - but as Daseal points out: how many of those balls were catchable by anyone? Do you suppose that Moss would have had as much success in SF as he had here? As a comparison (so we can compare their analysis of LLoyd to their analysis of someone we know), here is ESPN Scouts take on Rod Gardner: "He is difficult to get out of his routes. He has great hands and the speed to be a vertical threat. He can make the catch with arms extended and has a great feel for the sideline catch. He is inconsistent and must improve his focus and attention to details. He has improved his route running a great deal but sometimes fails to accelerate out of his cuts and get separation. He takes plays off when he isn't the primary receiver. His blocking effort can be halfhearted. He doesn't have a good feel for attacking coverage. He lacks elite speed and elusiveness after the catch. He is a gifted athlete who doesn't maximize his talent." Now if "Great Hands" means he can make any catch when he focuses, I would agree. Gardner could make any catch he wanted to - he just didn't "want to" about 50% of the time. So if the statement LLoyd has "excellent hands" is a reflection of abiltiy - great, b/c it appears he doesn't have the same knock on him as Gardner concerning concentration. Actually, LLoyd's description seems to me to be very similar to Moss.

03-11-2006, 12:23 PM	#117
Big C Mr. Brightside Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Leesburg, VA Age: 39 Posts: 4,453	Re: Brandon Lloyd i dont really want lloyd, like ppl have said, he has a highlight reel where he makes a few amazing catches, but hasnt put up numbers over a season __________________ "I don't care what nobody say I'm a be me, stay hood stay real, cause I'm out here grindin'" -Joe Gibbs

03-11-2006, 12:35 PM	#120
dgack The Starter Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: The ATX (formerly Balmer) Posts: 1,125	Re: Brandon Lloyd [q]I recognize the stat say what the stat's say - but as Daseal points out: how many of those balls were catchable by anyone? Do you suppose that Moss would have had as much success in SF as he had here?[/q] Again, when you're throwing all game long in desperation mode, why wouldn't you get a lot more chances to catch footballs? Santana was "the other option" on a run first team, for cripes' sake. I think most people believe Lloyd could be a decent receiver. The question is how much we're paying to get him. I am in no rush to buy the next Peerless Price.

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