Offer made on Chad (1st rd '08, conditional 3rd rd '09)

[MTK]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

Am I the only person who has a huge problem with this price? I don't mind the first this year, but NEXT year?!?! That's absolutely going to set this team back.

If we end up where we're picking 25-26 next year then I would deal with it, but I really expect some growing pains this season.

Once again it's a conditional 3rd rounder next year, not a guaranteed 1st.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SC Skins Fan

It is disingenuous to imply that DJ Hackett and Chad Johnson are comparable or would bring similar abilities to the team. As I've stated previously, I also think historical precedent says Johnson has more like 5-7 very productive years ahead of him rather than 2, but ok.

Now, the second half of your point is very well taken. You are probably right that in order to maximize their gain the Redskins need to be willing to lose the deal entirely. That is something that they have not done in past deals, even when the players acquired have worked out well (Portis/Brunell). A 2nd for Johnson would be ideal, or maybe a 2nd this year and a conditional pick in 2009. On that I would certainly agree ... less is more. I suspect they wanted to put the feelers out (assuming these reports are accurate) prior to the draft so they would be ahead of Philadelphia or Dallas. Plus, JLC has reported that Chad Johnson was the object of the FO's desire from the end of the season.

If reports are accurate, they've effectively set the market so any other team would have to come bigger than that. If the 21st pick comes and goes ... along with the 19th and then the 22nd and 28th ... then maybe the Bengals will relent and give in for the 51st and a conditional pick in '09. I am kind of thinking Mike Brown is willing to go to the mat with this pissing match, though, and that he won't deal Johnson at all.

yeah I'm not sure how that comparison came into the picture... it's absolutely ridiculous

[GMScud]

I have mixed feelings about getting Chad Johnson. I'm wary about once again jettisoning draft picks, but he's a far cry from Brandon Lloyd and TJ Duckett. He's hasn't missed a start in years, he works hard, he's a first down machine, and is good for 1300-1400 yards and 9-10 TDs a year. But I worry about bringing a mouth like him into a football team that has a rookie head coach and a very cohesive locker room as it is. He could mess with chemistry, and I wonder how equipped Jim Zorn is to handle that. Shipping away high draft picks make me cringe, but you can't argue against CJ's production on the field. I'm on the fence, but I don't think it matters b/c he ain't leaving Cincy.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Very true, but I still think even the possibility of giving up two first round picks is a super steep price.

I really like CJ, but unless our offense totally EXPLODES with him there, I'm going to feel really slighted as a fan. Now, a first and third next year I'm fine with, but that would mean he didn't meet those performance initiatives...

[SC Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Once again it's a conditional 3rd rounder next year, not a guaranteed 1st.

:smashfrea :frusty:

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

Very true, but I still think even the possibility of giving up two first round picks is a super steep price.

I really like CJ, but unless our offense totally EXPLODES with him there, I'm going to feel really slighted as a fan. Now, a first and third next year I'm fine with, but that would mean he didn't meet those performance initiatives...

Apparently the performance incentives were absurd, and they weren't just individual incentives, they also had to do with the performance of the team. So basically it would be very unlikely the conditional pick would have turned into a 1st rounder.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

Very true, but I still think even the possibility of giving up two first round picks is a super steep price.

I really like CJ, but unless our offense totally EXPLODES with him there, I'm going to feel really slighted as a fan. Now, a first and third next year I'm fine with, but that would mean he didn't meet those performance initiatives...

The conditions would probably be pretty steep for it to escalate to a 1st, I think SS speculated the Skins would have to make the NFC Championship and CJ would have to break the all time TD record.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

Nope. I would shell that for a more physical, younger and better WR. ROY WILLIAMS!! If Roy W. had Carson Palmer as QB he's stats would be better than CJ's.

I think your giving Palmer more credit then he deserves. Lets see how he does with only one #1 WR to throw to and teams doubling up on that one WR.

Even though some of you don't think he put up the numbers he did exeptionally better then our WR's in yrds and put himself in the top 3 WR's. We have not one on the Skins in the top 30.

and yes we do have other needs. Those other needs can be met in the 2nd round and the two picks we have in the 3rd round. We all know this yrs draft class is deep in DE/DL, S, G, CB. Everyone is talking about how after the first two or three WR all the rest drop off significantly. Basically your looking for the diamond in the rough.

The 3rd round pick was for next yr. Which will not effect us this yr. We would still have 2 third round picks.

[Skinny Tee]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

yeah I'm not sure how that comparison came into the picture... it's absolutely ridiculous

Hackett is at least a scheme player and has played along Zorn in the WCO the last three years.

Not comparable to CJ in physical talent but he would at least fit in with our offensive scheme and would not have come at a great cost.

[sandtrapjack]

For the record Dallas did not inquire about Chad Johnson. Jerry Jones held his annual pre-draft media "bash" today where he was asked about the validity of the report.

He was pretty succinct too. "No" is how he flatly answered the question. But Jerry did say that he has asked another team about the availability of a star receiver. And the smart money says that was either A) Detroit (Roy Williams) or B) Arizona (Anquan Boldin).

"I wouldn't give who it was, but the answer is yes. We have talked (with another team)," Jones said. "I wouldn't give you a timeframe on it either, if you're talking the last week or the last few days. But certainly since (the start of) the offseason."

But one thing is certain, it was NOT Chad Johnson.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Skinny Tee

Hackett is at least a scheme player and has played along Zorn in the WCO the last three years.

Not comparable to CJ in physical talent but he would at least fit in with our offensive scheme and would not have come at a great cost.

yeah I get that and I was a supporter of bringing in Hackett, but the two situations are completely different.

[skinsfan69]

If these reports are true then Vinny and the gang are still a bunch of tools. Haven't we learned our lesson with tempermental wr's. We've got an aging o-line, an aging #1 corner and a starting DE that's about to collect social sercurity. Do they even know the formula to success in the NFL? Vinny and Dan all you have to do is look north on route 95! It's not WR play. Sorry but it's not. You need some pass rushers, you need an offensive line and you need not spectacular, but solid mistake free qb play.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

If these reports are true then Vinny and the gang are still a bunch of tools. Haven't we learned our lesson with tempermental wr's. We've got an aging o-line, an aging #1 corner and a starting DE that's about to collect social sercurity. Do they even know the formula to success in the NFL? Vinny and Dan all you have to do is look north on route 95! It's not WR play. Sorry but it's not. You need some pass rushers, you need an offensive line and you need not spectacular, but solid mistake free qb play.

We would still have 8 picks to fill holes.

I think we're going a little overboard here if trading away one pick means the draft is blown.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Once again it's a conditional 3rd rounder next year, not a guaranteed 1st.

So that's two potential starters for one?? Either way it's a bad deal and I'm glad Cinn saved us from the FO's stupidity. That's why we have no depth cause we always do these two for one deals.

[MTK]

Actually I think the deal that was offered was very fair for both sides. CJ is a guy who routinely puts up 90+ catches and 1300-1400 yards. You're not going to get a guy like that for a 4th round pick, this isn't Maddens we're talking about.