Smoot lays the smack down (Skins/Bills) - mattyk edition

[skinsfaninok]

Skins didnt want Ponder or gabbert obviously so Kerrigan was a great pick IMO

[Jontrem]

I just read through these posts quickly and wanted to say a few things.

1) I am hoping we don't get rid of MS. What we need in this organization is some freaking consistency! If we keep changing coaches every two years we will never improve.

2) I dont think anyone on this board ever thought that we had our Qb of the future on the team this year. Everyone seemed okay with BA/MS's plan not to draft a QB last year as it got us Kerrigan and a ton of extra picks. We just have to remember they do have a plan!

3) So I am going to take a few deep breaths and remember that none of us thought we would be very good this year anyway. So I am going to start watching the games from a standpoint of looking for improvement in the players listed below. I think in the end I will start enjoying my Sundays alot more.

Kerrigan
Orakpo
Austin
Paul
Hankerson
Davis
Helu
Carriker

[SmootSmack]

A lot of people seem to believe, and these are people I don't have any reason to doubt, that if Locker was there at 10 we would have taken him.

As you may recall, I was a big proponent of drafting Locker last year. And more importantly a big proponent of drafting at least one QB. But, even though we didn't I thought we made some good acquisitions and this will take time.

As I said, I didn't watch any of yesterday's games so I can't really comment on it. I think overall though we are being decimated by injuries. And yes every team has to deal with them, but most don't really deal with them well. What the Packers did last year was the exception, not at all the norm.

I also think there is talent here that's not being used right. I don't know who is to blame, but it sure seems like Helu could use more touches. And that Austin should get the ball thrown to him more.

And as for Beck, you guys know I was never really on the Beckwagon but once he was named our starter I was certainly rooting for him. And to hear, as I did yesterday, that Beck "gave up"...is disconcerting to say the least

It's been a tough stretch for sure. And yesterday's game, by all indications was an embarassment. Now's the time to see if this team (regardless of the fans, because they don't really matter here) is prepared to fight through this or will they just roll over as we've seen in years past?

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

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As I said, I didn't watch any of yesterday's games so I can't really comment on it. I think overall though we are being decimated by injuries. And yes every team has to deal with them, but most don't really deal with them well. What the Packers did last year was the exception, not at all the norm.

SS,yes you have injuries and yes all teams do ,your defense is solid.As with other teams that have lost full positions to injuries,whole D lines or all the corners....players have to step up and execute and coachs have to realize this and call a game that is to his teams abilities,yes you need a QB but I just don't think the Skins are as far away as some here think.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

A lot of people seem to believe, and these are people I don't have any reason to doubt, that if Locker was there at 10 we would have taken him.

As you may recall, I was a big proponent of drafting Locker last year. And more importantly a big proponent of drafting at least one QB. But, even though we didn't I thought we made some good acquisitions and this will take time.

As I said, I didn't watch any of yesterday's games so I can't really comment on it. I think overall though we are being decimated by injuries. And yes every team has to deal with them, but most don't really deal with them well. What the Packers did last year was the exception, not at all the norm.

I also think there is talent here that's not being used right. I don't know who is to blame, but it sure seems like Helu could use more touches. And that Austin should get the ball thrown to him more.

And as for Beck, you guys know I was never really on the Beckwagon but once he was named our starter I was certainly rooting for him. And to hear, as I did yesterday, that Beck "gave up"...is disconcerting to say the least

It's been a tough stretch for sure. And yesterday's game, by all indications was an embarassment. Now's the time to see if this team (regardless of the fans, because they don't really matter here) is prepared to fight through this or will they just roll over as we've seen in years past?

Not buying the injures excuse. Every team has them and the better teams/organizations overcome them. The Eagles had O-line issues and they overcame them. Yesterday I saw a team that was outcoached. If your o-line is having trouble blocking a below average Bills d-line then make adjustments. Leave in more blockers, run some 3 step drops, run a screen or two, roll the pocket, run some quick hitting run plays...we did none of this yesterday!!!!! No adjustments!!!!!!!! You know where I'm going with this. Kyle needs to go. Yeah he can run an offense when everything is perfect for him. Most NFL OC's can. But what makes a really good OC is when a guy see's what he has and works a game plan or a system around that. See Jim Harbaugh, Chan Gailey and whoever the OC is for Carolina. I mean Jim Harbaugh is throwing passes to his O-linemen yesterday. Those guys can coach offense. Kyle can not, or can't when the chips are down. Oh yeah...Chad Rinehart is a starter on the Bills o-line! Ouch!

[SmootSmack]

Didn't watch any football yesterday but why was Harbaugh having his QB throwing to his offensive linemen? What sort of injuries did SF and Carolina have? What makes the Panthers' OC so great?

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack.....

I also think there is talent here that's not being used right. I don't know who is to blame, but it sure seems like Helu could use more touches. And that Austin should get the ball thrown to him more.

When the roster was being paired down to 53 we had more receivers than we knew what to do with, now, we can't do anything with the one's we have. The team is beset by so many problem areas that it's entire function is in chaos. Blocking has to improve for the runners to run, QB's to throw. Frustration was written all over Torain after evey carry yesterday and it won't improve for Helu or any other runner until conditions improve up front.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Didn't watch any football yesterday but why was Harbaugh having his QB throwing to his offensive linemen? What sort of injuries did SF and Carolina have? What makes the Panthers' OC so great?

Well it was on some short yardage plays where o-linemen were brought in as TE's and they made some big conversions by throwing to them. And you can just see that Carolina has molded their offense around Cam Newton by the playcalling and the formations. I don't know Carolina's or SF's injury situation. But I do know that the Eagles and Gaints had injuries to their o-line and it's not armageddon when it happens.

[Bushead]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

My comparison was to the team before Shanahan. Our defense was sh*t last year, this year's defense is of course better than last year's.

It's funny that you say that people take a dump on the coaches, b/c I feel that fans at least, always seem to be quick to blame the players.

You are right, the results seem to be the same, but I also feel that the coaches seem to be repeating the same mistakes. We are almost at the half season mark, and it seems that in today's NFL anything can happen, but I just don't have much faith in our outlook for the rest of the season. I would like to see the team play with a sense of purpose though. As people have pointed out, it seems that the only people doing that today were Fletcher, Rocca, and Davis.

I hate how people equate production with passion. I could think of a Phillip Daniels who probably played with unbelievable passion every time he got in the game, but maybe didn't produce.

[hooskins]

Where do we go from here? After getting blanked?

[jamf]

I just want to see guys get a chance to play.

I hate seeing different WR packages every down.
Everytime Niles Paul comes in we know it's a running play.
Austin and Armstrong on the same side? One guy is going to stretch the field the other is going to sit in coverage for a 8 yard gain on 3rd and 10.

Pick your best 3 WRs and play them the whole game unless they are tired or injured.
I think it's time to move on From Anthony Armstrong and Gaffney. We need to see if Hankerson, Austin and Paul can become quality players.
Everytime they send in a new WR package, they are telegraphing their plays.

The Shanahans are so cocky that they think they can telegraph their plays and still beat a defense.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by hooskins

Where do we go from here? After getting blanked?

Only place to go is up from here. Can't get much worse... can it?

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I also think there is talent here that's not being used right. I don't know who is to blame, but it sure seems like Helu could use more touches. And that Austin should get the ball thrown to him more.

I got a feeling that Helu wasn't out there much after he failed to pickup a blind side blitz that got Beck sacked. He released and didn't even touch the incoming defender, but I'm going to speculate it was his pickup. Don't think I saw him the rest of the game.

[mredskins]

We say that every year and seemingly it gets worst. It is hard to be a fan of this organization

[NC_Skins]

Also, you kids still think we should be signing Laron Landry to a contract extension? ...lol


This quote about Landry pretty much sums it up for me.

"I think instead of "beast" his new nickname should be "The magician." Because more often then not he's a disappearing act."