Redskins "Low-balling" Hall (Allegedly)

[skinsnut]

This pisses me off....
They should offer Carlos a contract first....he is steady.

If they offer Deangelo anything...it should be a 1 year deal to prove himself...I just dont trust him yet.

The real issue is where we choose to spend our money....at corner?....cmon...
Everyone says we need a major line overhaul...and I tend to agree.
Even Smoot could cover if we had a passrush and an offensive line that could keep the defense off the field...or better yet....a heavy lead.

Maybe I am wrong..maybe they are trying to secure Hall first so they can offer Carlos the same or $1 more to make up with him....but all I know is this.
Losing Carlos Rodgers would be like losing Antonio Pierce.

[John Hop]

Originally Posted by skinsnut

This pisses me off....
They should offer Carlos a contract first....he is steady.

If they offer Deangelo anything...it should be a 1 year deal to prove himself...I just dont trust him yet.

The real issue is where we choose to spend our money....at corner?....cmon...
Everyone says we need a major line overhaul...and I tend to agree.
Even Smoot could cover if we had a passrush and an offensive line that could keep the defense off the field...or better yet....a heavy lead.

Maybe I am wrong..maybe they are trying to secure Hall first so they can offer Carlos the same or $1 more to make up with him....but all I know is this.
Losing Carlos Rodgers would be like losing Antonio Pierce.

i think your right. at the MOST, offer deangelo a 2 year deal so you can see if he really matured or just was acting so he can get a contract next year.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by skinsnut

This pisses me off....
They should offer Carlos a contract first....he is steady.

If they offer Deangelo anything...it should be a 1 year deal to prove himself...I just dont trust him yet.

The real issue is where we choose to spend our money....at corner?....cmon...
Everyone says we need a major line overhaul...and I tend to agree.
Even Smoot could cover if we had a passrush and an offensive line that could keep the defense off the field...or better yet....a heavy lead.

Maybe I am wrong..maybe they are trying to secure Hall first so they can offer Carlos the same or $1 more to make up with him....but all I know is this.
Losing Carlos Rodgers would be like losing Antonio Pierce.

Rogers still has a year on his deal, there's no need to extend him now.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by skinsnut

This pisses me off....
They should offer Carlos a contract first....he is steady.

If they offer Deangelo anything...it should be a 1 year deal to prove himself...I just dont trust him yet.

The real issue is where we choose to spend our money....at corner?....cmon...
Everyone says we need a major line overhaul...and I tend to agree.
Even Smoot could cover if we had a passrush and an offensive line that could keep the defense off the field...or better yet....a heavy lead.

Maybe I am wrong..maybe they are trying to secure Hall first so they can offer Carlos the same or $1 more to make up with him....but all I know is this.
Losing Carlos Rodgers would be like losing Antonio Pierce.

Wow, that's as big of an overstatement as I've seen in a long time. Rogers isn't a top 20 CB in the NFL. He had a decent half of a season and all of the sudden he's one of the greats in the game? He's got the WORST hands of any CB I've ever seen. He's decent in coverage but at best he's an excellent #2 CB, he's not in the class with the elite #1 CB in the league. Hall is a major upgrade from Rogers.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Wow, that's as big of an overstatement as I've seen in a long time. Rogers isn't a top 20 CB in the NFL. He had a decent half of a season and all of the sudden he's one of the greats in the game? He's got the WORST hands of any CB I've ever seen. He's decent in coverage but at best he's an excellent #2 CB, he's not in the class with the elite #1 CB in the league. Hall is a major upgrade from Rogers.

How is Rogers not a Top 20 CB in the NFL? Which 20 guys would you put ahead of him?

Bad hands, bad hands, bad hands...he plays defense. Who cares? Hands are an added incentive -- added value -- not a job requirement.

Hall is not a top 40 CB in the NFL, but whatever. You crap on Rogers for a "decent half season" (it's now one and a half seasons with a MAJOR knee injury in between), but Hall has a nice half season here and you want to put him in the Hall of Fame.

I have no idea what your criteria for a good CB is. Thusly, I could not disagree more with your assessment.

[vallin21]

Originally Posted by skinsnut

This pisses me off....
They should offer Carlos a contract first....he is steady.

If they offer Deangelo anything...it should be a 1 year deal to prove himself...I just dont trust him yet.
The real issue is where we choose to spend our money....at corner?....cmon...
Everyone says we need a major line overhaul...and I tend to agree.
Even Smoot could cover if we had a passrush and an offensive line that could keep the defense off the field...or better yet....a heavy lead.

Maybe I am wrong..maybe they are trying to secure Hall first so they can offer Carlos the same or $1 more to make up with him....but all I know is this.
Losing Carlos Rodgers would be like losing Antonio Pierce.

You're serious?

What is it that you don't trust about Hall. It can't be his hands, or his coverage ability. Carlos Rogers is probably not even in the top 25 at the CB position. When you get benched for a guy who plays 4 games per season and a CB who you got off waivers in freakin November I think thats telling you something dude.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by vallin21

You're serious?

What is it that you don't trust about Hall. It can't be his hands, or his coverage ability. Carlos Rogers is probably not even in the top 25 at the CB position. When you get benched for a guy who plays 4 games per season and a CB who you got off waivers in freakin November I think thats telling you something dude.

Interesting insight.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by vallin21

You're serious?

What is it that you don't trust about Hall. It can't be his hands, or his coverage ability. Carlos Rogers is probably not even in the top 25 at the CB position. When you get benched for a guy who plays 4 games per season and a CB who you got off waivers in freakin November I think thats telling you something dude.

What it tells me is that our coordinator on that side of the ball is clueless.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

What it tells me is that our coordinator on that side of the ball is clueless.

yeah i've never figured out why Blache put Los on the pine. There's a story there and i'm surprised it's stayed private this long... initially i thought Blache and/or Grey might have benched Los in a weird stunt to get him seeing the game differently, slower and calmer, which would help him see the ball better and actually get it into his hands (i know this is improbable and a little bizarre but it's all i came up with). Los makes a nice INT the very next game, showing improvement and promise, but still we hear rumors of a trade. It's puzzling to say the least.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by The Goat

yeah i've never figured out why Blache put Los on the pine. There's a story there and i'm surprised it's stayed private this long... initially i thought Blache and/or Grey might have benched Los in a weird stunt to get him seeing the game differently, slower and calmer, which would help him see the ball better and actually get it into his hands (i know this is improbable and a little bizarre but it's all i came up with). Los makes a nice INT the very next game, showing improvement and promise, but still we hear rumors of a trade. It's puzzling to say the least.

And it's retarded to say the most.

I hear the phrase "I hope I'm not reading into this too much" often, but in this case, I really hope I'm not reading into this enough. Because on the surface, what you have is a top ten -- maybe top fifteen depending on how much you value the ability to not drop three INTs per year -- CB in the NFL, who can't start because our stupid coordinator has a fetish with house blitzes and DeAngelo Hall.

Not saying that Hall didn't deserve to play based on how he was playing at the end of last year. I am saying that I don't expect him to ever play that well for a full season again in his career (it was still a down year for him if we take in the Oakland data), and we could have started both Rogers and Hall. But god forbid we actually play our best players.

Which means that the conditions seem right for an inside story here that simply haven't hit the papers. Maybe Rogers kicked Blache's dog or something. Because this fight is stupid and it's killing our secondary.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

What it tells me is that our coordinator on that side of the ball is clueless.

I know you're not a fan of Blache but I think it's a stretch to call him clueless. If that's the case then we must have a hella talented team to overcome his cluelessness.

He must have had his reasons for benching Carlos, and they are reasons we'll probably never know.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Re-sign Hall, then cut Springs (who can't stay on the field anyway). Problem solved. Hall & Rogers start.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I know you're not a fan of Blache but I think it's a stretch to call him clueless. If that's the case then we must have a hella talented team to overcome his cluelessness.

He must have had his reasons for benching Carlos, and they are reasons we'll probably never know.

The act was one of cluelessness. One act does not define a man, but what scares me is that his reasons most likely weren't good reasons.

It's true that we don't know what they were. He's never come out and actually justified his reasoning. He's just sort of dodged the issue and openly worked to trade him.

I think he should man up and handle the issue like an adult, but I'd be cool if we just fired him.

[The Goat]

word.

[GTripp0012]

I actually think this is just fallout from the Baltimore game. Blache blitzed only twice all game long, and the defense played a very good game. Unfortunately, on the second blitz, Rogers got owned on the outside by the best receiver no one ever talks about, Derrick Mason, who (as I noted in my game breakdown) had been setting Rogers up all day for that double move, and ran a textbook route. Rogers looked awful, Blache gave him zero safety help, no pressure on Flacco, and the result was predictable. After that, apparently, he wasn't good enough to play for us.

I mean, you tell me. If Blache is really afraid of making Rogers look that bad, there seems like a better way to do it than benching him. How about, don't blitz if the opponent has been doing max protect stuff all game long?

This is only my opinion, but Rogers is simply the one guy that Blache didn't feel bad about blaming for his own mistakes. Coaches do tend to develop relationships with their players, and Blache was commenting on how well Rogers was playing earlier in the year, how far ahead of schedule he was. But if Blache doesn't value his relationship with CR, then all he has to do to make people forget the defensive collapse at the end of the year is trade the guy.

Then we can collapse all year! Yay!