Tebow: Is he the Redskins solution?

[Rajmahal33]

Originally Posted by DBUCHANON101

The whole "past QB's from UF didnt do well so that means other wont" arguement is pretty stupid to me. Joe Montana came from ND, does this mean that ND churns out top NFL QB's every few yrs? NO.
I agree that UF hasnt put a great QB in the NFL to this point but it doesnt mean that all future UF QB's are destined to bust in the pros. I like Tebow, i think he is a great player. Im not saying he will come in and be the next Marino but i think he can be a solid player.

I think what he was saying with the past QB's from UF flopping implies a trend of something in their system that creates a propensity for failure at the NFL level...to add to his list, Rex Grossman, Chris Leak...

By arguing the negative as a counterpoint (i.e. Notre Dame + Joe Montana = QB factory) you are committing a logical fallacy. Just b/c one implies the other doesn't mean the opposite is true.

Look, I think a much more sound way of debunking that past UF QB's theory is by arguing that the success rate of ANY college QB is low and since UF players have that much more national exposure and hype coming into the draft, the failures of their QB's tend to be magnified. However, it is somewhat telling that there is a pretty long line of failures with very few success stories to balance the equation. Compound that with the fact that they get some real quality guys coming out of high school and, statistically speaking, one would figure at least one of those guys would be a real hit. Thus far it hasn't happened, IMO, but that's not to say it won't ever happen. Who knows maybe over the next decade they could churn out QB's like USC did in the last decade?

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Rajmahal33

I think what he was saying with the past QB's from UF flopping implies a trend of something in their system that creates a propensity for failure at the NFL level...to add to his list, Rex Grossman, Chris Leak...

By arguing the negative as a counterpoint (i.e. Notre Dame + Joe Montana = QB factory) you are committing a logical fallacy. Just b/c one implies the other doesn't mean the opposite is true.

Look, I think a much more sound way of debunking that past UF QB's theory is by arguing that the success rate of ANY college QB is low and since UF players have that much more national exposure and hype coming into the draft, the failures of their QB's tend to be magnified. However, it is somewhat telling that there is a pretty long line of failures with very few success stories to balance the equation. Compound that with the fact that they get some real quality guys coming out of high school and, statistically speaking, one would figure at least one of those guys would be a real hit. Thus far it hasn't happened, IMO, but that's not to say it won't ever happen. Who knows maybe over the next decade they could churn out QB's like USC did in the last decade?

That was an excellent demonstration of critical thinking - (that is a good thing!)

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Rajmahal33

I think what he was saying with the past QB's from UF flopping implies a trend of something in their system that creates a propensity for failure at the NFL level...to add to his list, Rex Grossman, Chris Leak...

By arguing the negative as a counterpoint (i.e. Notre Dame + Joe Montana = QB factory) you are committing a logical fallacy. Just b/c one implies the other doesn't mean the opposite is true.

Look, I think a much more sound way of debunking that past UF QB's theory is by arguing that the success rate of ANY college QB is low and since UF players have that much more national exposure and hype coming into the draft, the failures of their QB's tend to be magnified. However, it is somewhat telling that there is a pretty long line of failures with very few success stories to balance the equation. Compound that with the fact that they get some real quality guys coming out of high school and, statistically speaking, one would figure at least one of those guys would be a real hit. Thus far it hasn't happened, IMO, but that's not to say it won't ever happen. Who knows maybe over the next decade they could churn out QB's like USC did in the last decade?

Excellent argument, Rajmahal.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by Kalisto2010

They came from the U, I'm talking about Gator QB's.

just.......testing

[jsarno]

I'm starting to believe Tebow is the real deal. This kid has a TON of skills...sure he's not "NFL ready", but seriously...who is in terms of QB's leaving college?

Let me point out some stats:
14 tds, 12 ints, 2971 passing yards, 60% comp, 80.3 qb rating in 16 games started...
13 tds, 6 ints, 3245 passing yards, 62.3% comp, 84.3 qb rating in 16 games started...
16 tds, 11 ints, 3440 passing yards, 61.1% comp, 87.7 qb rating in 16 games started...

Do you know who belongs to those numbers?
1- Flacco
2- Campbell
3- Ryan

Ryan was the best of the bunch by most accounts, Campbell not that far behind, and Flacco pulling up the rear. Yet most would regard Campbell as a bust, or nothing special. Fact is, Ryan had one of the most prolific running games in the NFL, and Flacco had a great defense, and good overall team around him. They both had 11 wins so they got a ton of publicity...same with campbell if he had 11 wins. Point is, everyone talks about flacco and ryan like they are the second coming of well, peyton manning...they are not. Flacco is not going to be a super special qb...ryan is more like a hasselbeck type qb, which is good. Players like Ryan don't come around all the time. Players like Tebow don't either. He has the entire package including amazing elusive skills. He is a GREAT leader as well. With a little NFL coaching, Tebow could be the next Steve Young.

[jsarno]

Let me point out, I am NOT ready to trade in Campbell for Tebow right now...but I certainly reserve that right come season's end. Either Campbell produces THIS year, or it's time for him to go. He still has a leash in my mind, but a short one.

[Carnage]

Originally Posted by SouperMeister

The Danny already tried a hotshot Gators coach with a spread offense run by his college QBs. Run away from that notion. Far, far away.

Does the Danny learn from his mistakes? I have seen no evidence of this.

[Kalisto2010]

Watching Florida play right now. Tebow has 94 yards passing against the unranked Vols. He's choosing to run the ball instead of finding an open receiver on most plays. Colt McCoy's game is better suited for the NFL. He can make all of the throws and he has excellent mobility.

This morning I heard Colt on ESPN talk about how it's his dream to play for the Dallas Cowboys. And I said to myself "To bad MF your going to the Skins b*tch, how's that for a dream".

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Let me point out, I am NOT ready to trade in Campbell for Tebow right now...but I certainly reserve that right come season's end. Either Campbell produces THIS year, or it's time for him to go. He still has a leash in my mind, but a short one.

These next few weeks are going to be dangerous as it relates to fans perception of Campbell as I think he's going to do good very good the next few weeks, and as a result people will start talking about Campbell as the next franchise QB. His only early test will be Carolina and then his first definite test will be against the Eagles on the 26th of October and the Falcons the following week (though that might be more of a test for defense). How he ends the season against the Giants, Cowboys, and Chargers will really determine what we have in Campbell.

These next three weeks on the other hand should serve as more of a field sobriety test in that he better have a rating over 90 with at least 6 TD passes and 600 yards. Of course more importantly we should win thanks to him not in spite of him.

[Lotus]

Tebow in the NFL will be like a bad relationship.

You know the story. The woman looks really good, she performs well, and there is so much promise that you hook up.

Later, your heart is broken, the promise turned out to be empty, and you can barely look at her anymore.

Just say no to Tebow.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

These next few weeks are going to be dangerous as it relates to fans perception of Campbell as I think he's going to do good very good the next few weeks, and as a result people will start talking about Campbell as the next franchise QB. His only early test will be Carolina and then his first definite test will be against the Eagles on the 26th of October and the Falcons the following week (though that might be more of a test for defense). How he ends the season against the Giants, Cowboys, and Chargers will really determine what we have in Campbell.

These next three weeks on the other hand should serve as more of a field sobriety test in that he better have a rating over 90 with at least 6 TD passes and 600 yards. Of course more importantly we should win thanks to him not in spite of him.

Even if Campbell does all of those things, if Portis just happens to go for 120, 89, and 107 yards in the next three weeks, people will just credit Portis for all of Campbell's success.

That's what happened last year.

[Eknox]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Even if Campbell does all of those things, if Portis just happens to go for 120, 89, and 107 yards in the next three weeks, people will just credit Portis for all of Campbell's success.

That's what happened last year.

GTripp how bout those Wolverines? But you're totally right that's exactly what would happen CP26 would get all the credit...

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by Rajmahal33

I think what he was saying with the past QB's from UF flopping implies a trend of something in their system that creates a propensity for failure at the NFL level...to add to his list, Rex Grossman, Chris Leak...

By arguing the negative as a counterpoint (i.e. Notre Dame + Joe Montana = QB factory) you are committing a logical fallacy. Just b/c one implies the other doesn't mean the opposite is true.

Look, I think a much more sound way of debunking that past UF QB's theory is by arguing that the success rate of ANY college QB is low and since UF players have that much more national exposure and hype coming into the draft, the failures of their QB's tend to be magnified. However, it is somewhat telling that there is a pretty long line of failures with very few success stories to balance the equation. Compound that with the fact that they get some real quality guys coming out of high school and, statistically speaking, one would figure at least one of those guys would be a real hit. Thus far it hasn't happened, IMO, but that's not to say it won't ever happen. Who knows maybe over the next decade they could churn out QB's like USC did in the last decade?

I think the Florida QB "curse" is legitimate. Why? Simple, in college, the offense still has a bigger edge than in the pros. The fun n gun and its variants can make even an average to above average QB look great. Florida was becoming a power before Spurrier under Galen Hall, Spurrier was the one who got the over the "hump" in becoming a true national power. None of Hall's or Spurrier's QBs really did anything in the pros. Tebow is more athletic than any other Florida QB in recent memory, but the guy is way overhyped. As for USC and their QB's? That is a mixed bag. Yeah you have Leinhart and Palmer, but that is it. Remember Sean Salisbury? Rodney Pete was OK for awhile, but was a bench warmer for the most part. Palmer is an injury waiting to happen and Leinhart had an old geezer beat him out!!!!

[bm32286]

Ok fellow Skins fans, we are all guilty of this. I am old enough to have been alive for the last Skins Super Bowl (albeit 5 years) but we have to have some PATIENCE. That is the key word. I know that Jason has been under the magnifying glass for just over four years, but let Coach Zorn earn his paycheck. Last week was sobering, (I nearly broke the family's big screen with my Sperry boat shoe) but we have to take a deep breath and just move on. He may no be the "franchise" quaterback we had hoped when Ole Ball coach Gibbs drafted him, but he is our best shot this year and he is still a good QB. He might not be a Tom Brady, but he is still above marginal. That being said, before we crucify him and run him out of town...let's let him do his business against the teams we should (and NEED to beat over the next 3-4 weeks) and then go from there. Although it may not be against NFC East teams, 4-1 after 5 weeks in the NFL is still 4-1. We will be just fine. Let's not be doomsdayers. I will bleed burgundy and gold until the day I die. Keep the faith fellow Americans. God Bless.

[Trample the Elderly]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Tebow in the NFL will be like a bad relationship.

You know the story. The woman looks really good, she performs well, and there is so much promise that you hook up.

Later, your heart is broken, the promise turned out to be empty, and you can barely look at her anymore.

Just say no to Tebow.

Don't be bitter bro. Just move on to the next one.