Its Fu**ing Eagles Week!!!!

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by SkinzWin

... There is way more to look at than just the "only relatively objective yardstick for judging the Vick-Eagles vs. the Skins is that 14-0 score".

You are right. The score at the end of the game is far more important.

[MTK]

Anyone can cherry pick plays from every damn game in the league, it's not like this stuff is exclusive to the Skins. Drops, fumbles, picks, injuries, etc. All part of the game. But yeah, it's keeping it real. Please.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Anyone can cherry pick plays from every damn game in the league, it's not like this stuff is exclusive to the Skins. Drops, fumbles, picks, injuries, etc. All part of the game. But yeah, it's keeping it real. Please.

Can I get an Amen?!

[LavaRnChad]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Anyone can cherry pick plays from every damn game in the league, it's not like this stuff is exclusive to the Skins. Drops, fumbles, picks, injuries, etc. All part of the game. But yeah, it's keeping it real. Please.

Why yes... yes indeed, this is a true fact. Good post Matty!

[CRedskinsRule]

44ever, How is it a fact that they would have beaten us with Vick?

[44ever]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

44ever, How is it a fact that they would have beaten us with Vick?

Because Vick has shown that he scores in every game and almost every quarter of football he plays. It's just a mathematical certainty. It took the Eagles 1 quarter to effectively figure out and shut down our Offense and kept us to 3 points for the remainder 3 quarters of the game. While they managed to creep back up with a cold and unprepared Kolb.

Vick would have played a better whole game than Kolb, in fact his passer rating was much higher than Kolbs. Actually Vick was very close to scoring when he got hurt. The Eagles did not get that close into our red zone the remainder of the game without Vick.

Obviously when I say it is a fact, that is a statistical and historical statement. But one that is and will be proved this coming week.

As a 40 year fan, I have had the luxury of sitting back and knowing the Skins would win. After the 80's and early 90's, Im the guy who went through the rest of my life defending and making excuses for the Skins. I don't do that anymore, but for those who do, I understand, I was there.

Anything can happen in the NFL. We do have a chance to beat the Eagles. But if Vick stays in, we won't. IMO.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by 44ever

Because Vick has shown that he scores in every game and almost every quarter of football he plays. It's just a mathematical certainty. It took the Eagles 1 quarter to effectively figure out and shut down our Offense and kept us to 3 points for the remainder 3 quarters of the game. While they managed to creep back up with a cold and unprepared Kolb.

Vick would have played a better whole game than Kolb, in fact his passer rating was much higher than Kolbs. Actually Vick was very close to scoring when he got hurt. The Eagles did not get that close into our red zone the remainder of the game without Vick.

Obviously when I say it is a fact, that is a statistical and historical statement. But one that is and will be proved this coming week.

As a 40 year fan, I have had the luxury of sitting back and knowing the Skins would win. After the 80's and early 90's, Im the guy who went through the rest of my life defending and making excuses for the Skins. I don't do that anymore, but for those who do, I understand, I was there.

Anything can happen in the NFL. We do have a chance to beat the Eagles. But if Vick stays in, we won't. IMO.

We were up 14-0 when he went down you know

[LavaRnChad]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

44ever, How is it a fact that they would have beaten us with Vick?

Did you see the three or four replays that showed V-Jax and Macklin getting wide open? The commentators were saying how Kolb wasn't even looking downfield to see them because he was too busy with his checkdown reads. Vick would have exploited that. That's what he does.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by LavaRnChad

Did you see the three or four replays that showed V-Jax and Macklin getting wide open? The commentators were saying how Kolb wasn't even looking downfield to see them because he was too busy with his checkdown reads. Vick would have exploited that. That's what he does.

maybe he would have, maybe not. The bottomline is when the clock showed 0:00, we had more points. Anything other than that is speculation (maybe valid) and not fact. I am sure in the evil twin universe, Barron didn't hold, the catch was caught, and Jarmon was called for a personal foul. But here in the real universe, those things didn't happen and we sit with those three wins.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by LavaRnChad

Did you see the three or four replays that showed V-Jax and Macklin getting wide open? The commentators were saying how Kolb wasn't even looking downfield to see them because he was too busy with his checkdown reads. Vick would have exploited that. That's what he does.

No one here is propping up Kolb or overestimating his play in that game.

The problem is the bold part. That is speculation, not fact. Vick might have "exploited" our defense. Or he might have thrown three picks. We'll never know.

The one thing that we all know for sure is that it was 14-0 when Vick left.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Lotus

No one here is propping up Kolb or overestimating his play in that game.

The problem is the bold part. That is speculation, not fact. Vick might have "exploited" our defense. Or he might have thrown three picks. We'll never know.

The one thing that we all know for sure is that it was 14-0 when Vick left.

Lotus you gotta remember, Lavar is just doing something called "keeping it real." This is where the Skins have to win by at least 10 in order to call it a win. If not, speculation comes into play and the Skins record may change. SCP and Lavar actually believe the Skins are like 1-7. SCP believes it may even be 1991 as he mentioned in his previous post.

[LavaRnChad]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Lotus you gotta remember, Lavar is just doing something called "keeping it real." This is where the Skins have to win by at least 10 in order to call it a win. If not, speculation comes into play and the Skins record may change. SCP and Lavar actually believe the Skins are like 1-7. SCP believes it may even be 1991 as he mentioned in his previous post.

I appreciate your valiant effort at trying to speak for me but... you're wrong. Some of us just want the Skins to compete for 4qtrs and beat teams that we should beat, especially when we get multiple turnovers, be it forced or handed to us. Some of us want to see solid winning football and not just because of the opponent's starters getting hurt or the opponent pissing the game away, period. But again your effort was noble.

[mredskins]

This is probably the biggest game of the year in regards of playoff hopes, if we come out and lay an egg in this one I am starting to look at our draft position for 2011.

[CRedskinsRule]

So, in the hypothetical, if the Skins do beat the Eagles Monday Night, and limit Vick's effectiveness, would you rescind the statement and say that we won the first game? Or does that game stay as a "factual loss, real win" for you regardless of Monday night's game.

For me, I say we won that game and would have won if Vick stayed in. For whatever reason, we have sometimes struggled when a competent backup comes in. Now if the Eagles somehow blow us out, I still will claim we won (and would have won) that first game, but will give Vick and the Eagles credit in this game.

[44ever]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

So, in the hypothetical, if the Skins do beat the Eagles Monday Night, and limit Vick's effectiveness, would you rescind the statement and say that we won the first game? Or does that game stay as a "factual loss, real win" for you regardless of Monday night's game.

For me, I say we won that game and would have won if Vick stayed in. For whatever reason, we have sometimes struggled when a competent backup comes in. Now if the Eagles somehow blow us out, I still will claim we won (and would have won) that first game, but will give Vick and the Eagles credit in this game.

If we beat the Eagles with no BS. Not only will I rescind but will be recaptured as a fan with hope that we can finally compete. Don't get me wrong, I want us to win. I want to be wrong. I am as much a fan now as I was in the 80's.