Redskins Offseason Thread

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Redskins247

Just saw a stat showing that every NFC team has gone to the NFC championship game at least TWICE since 1995 compared to zero from the Cowboys, Lions, and Redskins who haven't been since 91. Wow.

This is only a result of one of the worst owner in sports, Dan Snyder. We got bought by a buffoon who set the franchise back by twenty years. Sad but true

I just hate to think about Snyder...I just get irate. Really sad what this franchise has become.

[Redskins247]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

This is only a result of one of the worst owner in sports, Dan Snyder. We got bought by a buffoon who set the franchise back by twenty years. Sad but true

So true. And it's almost like Snyder has copied Jerry Jones model of ownership...minus having Jimmy Johnson, who helped him a lot....but even bringing back Gibbs couldn't save this franchise from Snyder.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Redskins247

So true. And it's almost like Snyder has copied Jerry Jones model of ownership...minus having Jimmy Johnson, who helped him a lot....but even bringing back Gibbs couldn't save this franchise from Snyder.

Another clear example, look what discussion rules the Redskins right now, Cousins QB decision looms. Why? Complete mismanagement from the fucking top of the organization, AND LETS BE CLEAR, SNYDER IS a MAJOR Decision maker in who the QB is for this Franchise. His voice is among the highest. And its clear at this point, we have fucked it up from day 1. McC who was the GM said sign him....Bruce and Dan refused...now he will most likely walk without compensation.

This is absolutely ridiculous from a business sense. Complete shit show.

Now lets look at recent history with Dan and Bruce and the QB position:

Completely terrible trade for McNabb who the Coach at the time did not want

Completely terrible draft trade for RG3 for a coach who did not want.

And now this garbage with Cousins, the most competent QB of the Snyder era will walk and people are satisfied with no compensation. Terrible business decision.

[WillH]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Another clear example, look what discussion rules the Redskins right now, Cousins QB decision looms. Why? Complete mismanagement from the fucking top of the organization, AND LETS BE CLEAR, SNYDER IS a MAJOR Decision maker in who the QB is for this Franchise. His voice is among the highest. And its clear at this point, we have fucked it up from day 1. McC who was the GM said sign him....Bruce and Dan refused...now he will most likely walk without compensation.

This is absolutely ridiculous from a business sense. Complete shit show.

Now lets look at recent history with Dan and Bruce and the QB position:

Completely terrible trade for McNabb who the Coach at the time did not want

Completely terrible draft trade for RG3 for a coach who did not want.

And now this garbage with Cousins, the most competent QB of the Snyder era will walk and people are satisfied with no compensation. Terrible business decision.

Based on Kirks comments this year, and Scots, it sounds more like they offered Cousins a contract during the 2015 season, Cousins wanted to but his agent wanted him to wait. After the season, Kirk wanted top be paid a big contract, but based on the talent evaluation of Mccloughan and Gruden they franchised him and said prove it. Cousins played well last year, and than shit the bed when it counted, but the FO still offered him a contract that was a legitimate starting point for negotiations, but Cousins wouldn't negotiate. There is no evidence that Bruce and Snyder interfered. What are you basing that on?

What you are so upset about would make more sense to me if last offseason they had said they were still unsure and wouldn't sign him long-term, but they did try. What should they have done differently?

I agree that if Kirk doesn't want to be here they should try to get compensation for him, and I agree that in hindsight they should have signed him before the first franchise tag, but only because now we now that Cousins would force a second tag, find me one person who said that at the time.



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[HailGreen28]

Originally Posted by WillH

Based on Kirks comments this year, and Scots, it sounds more like they offered Cousins a contract during the 2015 season, Cousins wanted to but his agent wanted him to wait. After the season, Kirk wanted top be paid a big contract, but based on the talent evaluation of Mccloughan and Gruden they franchised him and said prove it. Cousins played well last year, and than shit the bed when it counted, but the FO still offered him a contract that was a legitimate starting point for negotiations, but Cousins wouldn't negotiate. There is no evidence that Bruce and Snyder interfered. What are you basing that on?

What you are so upset about would make more sense to me if last offseason they had said they were still unsure and wouldn't sign him long-term, but they did try. What should they have done differently?

I agree that if Kirk doesn't want to be here they should try to get compensation for him, and I agree that in hindsight they should have signed him before the first franchise tag, but only because now we now that Cousins would force a second tag, find me one person who said that at the time.

In 2016, I think Snyder and Allen could have locked up Cousins in a 3 year deal around $19.5 mil per year. Instead they lowballed him at $16 mil per year and ended up having to franchise him at $20 mil that year.

They franchised him again in 2017 for $24 mil. The market value per the Stafford, Luck, and Carr contracts is about $25 mil. That's the minimum Kirk's contract will be worth now.

Now they are looking at either paying him $34 mil this year to guarantee him staying, or $28 mil this year and risk someone else taking a gamble on Kirk exceeding that price.

All this versus the Skins FO could have had Kirk locked up at $20 mil the past couple years, and not be looking at the escalating $ tag situation now.... Snyder and Allen screwed up big time.

[WillH]

Originally Posted by HailGreen28

In 2016, I think Snyder and Allen could have locked up Cousins in a 3 year deal around $19.5 mil per year. Instead they lowballed him at $16 mil per year and ended up having to franchise him at $20 mil that year.

They franchised him again in 2017 for $24 mil. The market value per the Stafford, Luck, and Carr contracts is about $25 mil. That's the minimum Kirk's contract will be worth now.

Now they are looking at either paying him $34 mil this year to guarantee him staying, or $28 mil this year and risk someone else taking a gamble on Kirk exceeding that price.

All this versus the Skins FO could have had Kirk locked up at $20 mil the past couple years, and not be looking at the escalating $ tag situation now.... Snyder and Allen screwed up big time.

No, yeah, I get it, we all know what happened, but show me someone who said it would play out this way. Most were saying that they should franchise him and let him prove it was more than a good season.

For example:

"Kirk Cousins is also, however, a quarterback with one strong season who has lost more games as a starter than he's won. The leader of a team that, while winning the NFC East last year, finished the season 9-7.

That makes the giant check Washington is about to hand Cousins a risky bet no matter what course of action it takes."

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2...fl-free-agency






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[HailGreen28]

Originally Posted by WillH

No, yeah, I get it, we all know what happened, but show me someone who said it would play out this way. Most were saying that they should franchise him and let him prove it was more than a good season.

For example:

"Kirk Cousins is also, however, a quarterback with one strong season who has lost more games as a starter than he's won. The leader of a team that, while winning the NFC East last year, finished the season 9-7.

That makes the giant check Washington is about to hand Cousins a risky bet no matter what course of action it takes."

Kirk Cousins Guaranteed to Be Overpaid in 2016 NFL Free Agency | Bleacher Report

I agree it was a hard choice, but that's the difference between a good FO and a bad one. The Lions high priced deal looks pretty good now. Luck and Carr don't seem exorbitant now, especially compared to what Cousins might get. The Patriots, well after the big deal Brady signed in 2010, since then he's helped the Pats big time giving them a hometown discount. Paying market value on a QB in all those cases is paying off.

The Skins OTOH, lowballed and lost.

There are at least two people who in their own actions basically said things would play out the way they have: Kirk and his agent. And they were absolutely right.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

This is only a result of one of the worst owner in sports, Dan Snyder. We got bought by a buffoon who set the franchise back by twenty years. Sad but true

I just hate to think about Snyder...I just get irate. Really sad what this franchise has become.

That stat cracks me up tho because it's the last time Dallas won a sb, y start it at 95? It's a jab at them.

Dallas and Was should both be EMBARRASSED that this shit has lasted that long, its a joke to both fan bases and franchisees who are storied teams.

Unfortunately I dont know if we'll ever see the skins win a SB again, I would say odds are yeah eventually they will get hot and win but man look at GB, they went like 30 plus years w/o winning one, KC has only won 1 since the SB era. Some teams have yet to even make it there.


Vegas has us at 7-9 next yr as of today, which means squat

Washington
Projected 2018 over/under: 7 wins


Arguably the most injury-hit team in football, Jay Gruden's team will hope to get more games -- if not full seasons -- out of impact contributors such as Chris Thompson, Jordan Reed and Trent Williams in 2018. Of course, Washington might be coming back with a totally different team, given that it could move on from Kirk Cousins and cut cornerback Josh Norman, which would slice its most expensive offensive and defensive players off the roster. This total assumes both players stay while Washington allows Bashaud Breeland and Zach Brown to leave in free agency, but much is up in the air.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

This is only a result of one of the worst owner in sports, Dan Snyder. We got bought by a buffoon who set the franchise back by twenty years. Sad but true



I just hate to think about Snyder...I just get irate. Really sad what this franchise has become.

Exactly. I dont understand why it is always blame game time and a mystery when things don’t pan out again. There has been one constant and he is responsible for every hire that has been made. Those people, in turn, are in charge of everything else. Seems pretty simple to me.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Exactly. I dont understand why it is always blame game time and a mystery when things don’t pan out again. There has been one constant and he is responsible for every hire that has been made. Those people, in turn, are in charge of everything else. Seems pretty simple to me.

Well it's either gripe about it and deal with it (like a shitty relationship) or move on because Dan is like a woman he is stubborn as fuck and wont leave.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Well it's either gripe about it and deal with it (like a shitty relationship) or move on because Dan is like a woman he is stubborn as fuck and wont leave.

Lmao. Thanks for making that so clear.