Bittersweet post game thread.

sdskinsfan2001 · 10-06-2017, 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by mooby

Chargers are also 0fer. That will change cuz the Chargers play the Giants this week, somebody has to win. But we definitely have some very winnable games coming up.

If the Chargers beat the Giants, I'll actually feel bad for the 1 Giants fan I know. He's nice as shit. Not a typical NFCE opposing fan I'm use to.

WillH · 10-04-2017, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Very good wrap up on the KC game by Rich Tandler:

Need to Know: Last look at Redskins vs. Chiefs | NBC Sports Washington

One of the interesting tidbits:

—According to Football Outsiders, the Redskins have had the second toughest schedule in the league in terms of the combined DVOA of their opponents. If you prefer raw win totals, Washington’s four opponents have combined to win 12 games, the most of any opposing slate in the NFL. But the FO folks say it gets easier from here; the Redskins’ opponents have a combined DVOA that ranks 26th. Of course, nothing is easy in the NFL but if the Redskins are as good as fans hope they are (and FO says they are the fourth-best in overall DVOA) they may be able to make a run after their bye.

And BTW:

Philly is right there with us, they've had the 7th hardest so far and have the 26th hardest going forward, which means the balance is slightly in our favor, and probably would be reversed if we won week 1.

New York seems to have gotten the short end of the stick this year. They've had the 6th hardest so far and have the 3rd hardest going forward.

Dallas on the other hand, has only had the 23rd hardest so far, and have the 5th hardest going forward.

This all makes complete sense to me compared to the eye test.

Philly looks good, and they are our biggest obstacle in the NFCE. I think our team now is much better than our team week 1, but it won't be an easy task to topple Philly. We better learn how to bottle up Wentz, if we do, I think we win in Philly.

NY looks awful, but perhaps not as bad as 0-4 would suggest. They've played tough teams, but I don't think they climb out of the hole this year. A tough schedule won't make it an easier.

Dallas has not looked good to me at all, but somehow they're 2-2. Well, they beat 2 bad teams, and lost to 2 good ones. Our only common opponent thus far was the Rams, we won and they lost. You can never underestimate a divisional opponent, and they're too good to think we should roll over them, but I think we have a good chance of sweeping them this year. As good a chance as I can remember. They play GB this week, they are a good to middling 3-1 team. Should be a good gauge of if they can hang with a decent opponent. My guess is .... no.

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CRedskinsRule · 10-04-2017, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by WillH

And BTW:

Philly is right there with us, they've had the 7th hardest so far and have the 26th hardest going forward, which means the balance is slightly in our favor, and probably would be reversed if we won week 1.

New York seems to have gotten the short end of the stick this year. They've had the 6th hardest so far and have the 3rd hardest going forward.

Dallas on the other hand, has only had the 23rd hardest so far, and have the 5th hardest going forward.

This all makes complete sense to me compared to the eye test.

Philly looks good, and they are our biggest obstacle in the NFCE. I think our team now is much better than our team week 1, but it won't be an easy task to topple Philly. We better learn how to bottle up Wentz, if we do, I think we win in Philly.

NY looks awful, they've played tough teams, but I don't think they climb out of the hole this year. A tough schedule won't make it an easier.

Dallas has not looked good to me at all, but somehow they're 2-2. Well, they beat 2 bad teams, and lost to 2 good ones. Our only common opponent thus far was the Rams, we won and they lost. You can never underestimate a divisional opponent, and they're too good to think we should roll over them, but I think we have a good chance of sweeping them this year. As good a chance as I can remember. They play GB this week, they are a good to middling 3-1 team. Should be a good gauge of if they can hang with a decent opponent. My guess is .... no.

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I don't know that I agree about the Eagles, they lost to KC in Arrowhead, like us, and yes they beat us, but I think the score was definitely misleading. On the other hand they beat the 0-4 Chargers by 2 and the 0-4 Giants by 3. I hate that we play them on Monday night, and that will be a critical (not must win) game, but their play against their opponents so far doesn't make me think much of them. In fact I think they could easily go 0-2 against the Cardinals and the Panthers before we see them again.

FrenchSkin · 10-04-2017, 02:29 PM

We were quite a few around here to say before the season started the Skins were a few good plays away from being 10-6, and a few bad plays away from being 6-10.

I think with the level of play this team has shown, 6-10 is out of the picture.

We were one tough catch away from beating the Chiefs on the road.

Even with that drop we were one questionable call away from going to OT (what has happened to the "controlling the ball through the process of going to the ground" concept?!).

Even with that we were a few stupid penalties away from holding the Chiefs to 16 points.

I'm loving what I see from this defense. Talent and energy is here.
Am I the only one around here amazed by the level of physicality brought by our secondary?!
God those hits felt great, IIRC on back to back plays Norman layed out Kelce and made him drop a pass, and Breeland tackled Hunt while being blocked (haven't re-watched so could be not 100% right).

And by the way, Breeland is having a great season, not gonna hate on him for one penalty and one contested catch allowed to one of the better tight end in the game!

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CRedskinsRule · 10-04-2017, 05:22 PM

I think the important part of that stat is that we played a very tough stretch of our schedule and split. That bodes well for the rest of it. Division games have their own history, but I'm not sold that Shanahan will be able to motivate his team simply because of his disdain for Snyder. Now, if Garcon gets in on the act as a locker room leader, than maybe they do find a hidden motivation. But I really doubt it.

WillH · 10-04-2017, 05:56 PM

The 0-4 teams aren't as bad as their record, but fair enough. They looked like a good team against us and KC though. I watched most of that game, I think they're a challenge, and they're a matchup problem for us with a scrambling QB and a decent TE. Top to bottom though, I do think our team looks better. Our Defense is definitely more gelled now and I think that will be the difference from week one when we face them again, they have some time to work on their weaknesses before facing them again.

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calia · 10-04-2017, 07:27 PM

Unless and until we get some guys healthy on D, we won't fare better against Philly. At full strength, I like our chances going forward. But we are as banged up at week 4 as I can recall, which is really concerning. Nicholson couldn't raise his arm very well, Norman has a busted rib (and lung issue), Kelley a sprained ankle, I read somewhere that Foster's foot is like a purple balloon. Nseke is out for a number of weeks (and we all winced when Trent went out for a short while the other night). I hope these guys are bubble wrapped and covered in ice for the next 7 days.

FrenchSkin · 10-05-2017, 04:31 PM

Re-watched the game, All 22 version.

-KC had a solid game. He seems to really like Docston because on a few plays (including the would have been game winning TD) he threw to him while somebody else was more open.

Though this is not a positive, this tells me KC and Docston are developing a chemistry, and Kirk likes what Josh is showing at practice!

- Even if it's sometimes hard to tell who's responsible for what, it seems Zach Brown blew quite a few coverages. He's been a major improvement but he needs to improve his zone coverage skills. To me he's trying to key the eyes of the QB too much, while forgetting he's assignment.

-Spaight is getting used to the flow of the game, missed one tackle or two (but pursuit was there) and should've stayed with his guy instead of coming down to Alex Smith on the final drive, but overall he's improved a lot.
He made some plays and read perfectly a read option play where Smith kept the ball, he shed his block in a blink and made the tackle.

-Our secondary is the real deal, especially with Norman, hope he heals soon.

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10-04-2017, 02:29 PM	#4
FrenchSkin Playmaker Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Yokohama, Japan Posts: 4,525	Re: Bittersweet post game thread. We were quite a few around here to say before the season started the Skins were a few good plays away from being 10-6, and a few bad plays away from being 6-10. I think with the level of play this team has shown, 6-10 is out of the picture. We were one tough catch away from beating the Chiefs on the road. Even with that drop we were one questionable call away from going to OT (what has happened to the "controlling the ball through the process of going to the ground" concept?!). Even with that we were a few stupid penalties away from holding the Chiefs to 16 points. I'm loving what I see from this defense. Talent and energy is here. Am I the only one around here amazed by the level of physicality brought by our secondary?! God those hits felt great, IIRC on back to back plays Norman layed out Kelce and made him drop a pass, and Breeland tackled Hunt while being blocked (haven't re-watched so could be not 100% right). And by the way, Breeland is having a great season, not gonna hate on him for one penalty and one contested catch allowed to one of the better tight end in the game! Envoyé de mon SM-J320FN en utilisant Tapatalk __________________ Derz Ambassaderz in the Land of the Rising Sun. Oui Monsieur.

10-04-2017, 05:22 PM	#5
CRedskinsRule Living Legend Join Date: Aug 2008 Age: 56 Posts: 21,180	Re: Bittersweet post game thread. I think the important part of that stat is that we played a very tough stretch of our schedule and split. That bodes well for the rest of it. Division games have their own history, but I'm not sold that Shanahan will be able to motivate his team simply because of his disdain for Snyder. Now, if Garcon gets in on the act as a locker room leader, than maybe they do find a hidden motivation. But I really doubt it.

10-04-2017, 05:56 PM	#6
WillH The Starter Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,590	Bittersweet post game thread. The 0-4 teams aren't as bad as their record, but fair enough. They looked like a good team against us and KC though. I watched most of that game, I think they're a challenge, and they're a matchup problem for us with a scrambling QB and a decent TE. Top to bottom though, I do think our team looks better. Our Defense is definitely more gelled now and I think that will be the difference from week one when we face them again, they have some time to work on their weaknesses before facing them again. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ You like that! You like that!

10-04-2017, 07:27 PM	#7
calia Playmaker Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Woodside, CA Age: 55 Posts: 3,359	Re: Bittersweet post game thread. Unless and until we get some guys healthy on D, we won't fare better against Philly. At full strength, I like our chances going forward. But we are as banged up at week 4 as I can recall, which is really concerning. Nicholson couldn't raise his arm very well, Norman has a busted rib (and lung issue), Kelley a sprained ankle, I read somewhere that Foster's foot is like a purple balloon. Nseke is out for a number of weeks (and we all winced when Trent went out for a short while the other night). I hope these guys are bubble wrapped and covered in ice for the next 7 days. __________________ "Coach, what do you think of your team's execution?" "I'm all for it." -- Coach McKay

10-05-2017, 04:31 PM	#8
FrenchSkin Playmaker Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Yokohama, Japan Posts: 4,525	Re: Bittersweet post game thread. Re-watched the game, All 22 version. -KC had a solid game. He seems to really like Docston because on a few plays (including the would have been game winning TD) he threw to him while somebody else was more open. Though this is not a positive, this tells me KC and Docston are developing a chemistry, and Kirk likes what Josh is showing at practice! - Even if it's sometimes hard to tell who's responsible for what, it seems Zach Brown blew quite a few coverages. He's been a major improvement but he needs to improve his zone coverage skills. To me he's trying to key the eyes of the QB too much, while forgetting he's assignment. -Spaight is getting used to the flow of the game, missed one tackle or two (but pursuit was there) and should've stayed with his guy instead of coming down to Alex Smith on the final drive, but overall he's improved a lot. He made some plays and read perfectly a read option play where Smith kept the ball, he shed his block in a blink and made the tackle. -Our secondary is the real deal, especially with Norman, hope he heals soon. Envoyé de mon SM-J320FN en utilisant Tapatalk __________________ Derz Ambassaderz in the Land of the Rising Sun. Oui Monsieur.

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