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Old 03-02-2014, 01:56 PM   #16
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How could that douche bag even say that with a straight face?
Does anyone feel like the US has handled this well?

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No. I think Chico summed it up pretty well.
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I wish the Ukrainians well. I hope significant, practical economic sanctions are imposed and that Putin chokes on this move.

Not one American soldier should need to shed blood for this. If the Europeans want peace and security in their backyard, let them send their sons to secure it.
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Old 03-02-2014, 02:34 PM   #19
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I wish the Ukrainians well. I hope significant, practical economic sanctions are imposed and that Putin chokes on this move.

Not one American soldier should need to shed blood for this. If the Europeans want peace and security in their backyard, let them send their sons to secure it.
What if NATO sends peacekeepers? Are you saying the US should not support NATO or keep its obligations under both NATO and other international agreements?
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If NATO responds we have to participate as required by the treaty.

It's a tough. My objection is more with the choices that put us into this Hobbesian choice.
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Old 03-02-2014, 09:48 PM   #21
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If NATO responds we have to participate as required by the treaty.

It's a tough. My objection is more with the choices that put us into this Hobbesian choice.
NATO expansion? Too harsh or too lenient policy with Russia?
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Old 03-03-2014, 08:19 AM   #22
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Re: Hey there's about to be a war in Ukraine.

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I wish the Ukrainians well. I hope significant, practical economic sanctions are imposed and that Putin chokes on this move.

Not one American soldier should need to shed blood for this. If the Europeans want peace and security in their backyard, let them send their sons to secure it.
This is my stance also.

And to any thought that mentions UN peacekeepers....LOL
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Old 03-03-2014, 08:58 AM   #23
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There is really nothing we can do except stay on the phone with the Russians, but the European Union is slow to act and coordinate any type of response with the UN its laughable. They probably should sent peacekeepers in when the Russian massed troops on the border and said it "was training exercises".

Does anybody remember the call leaked 2-3 weeks ago between the pentagon and our ambassador to the Ukraine? The Russians were really behind the scenes during the Olympics gearing up for this.
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Old 03-03-2014, 11:46 AM   #24
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Re: Hey there's about to be a war in Ukraine.

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Kerry condemns Russia's 'incredible act of aggression' in Ukraine | Reuters










How could that douche bag even say that with a straight face?

Kerry...anyone going to trust him now?


Kerry blasts Romney as inept and extreme on foreign policy - CBS News



Flashback: Candidate Mitt Romney ridiculed for ‘Cold War thinking’ | Twitchy







The whole world sees this President and sadly the United States as WEAK now, so the dictators and terrorists of the world are taking chances and making moves they would not normally make with a typical, strong United States President, foreign policy and military.

Putin is trying to re-assemble the USSR and this President is not going to stop him, or even care.




Obama Skips National Security Team Meeting on Russia, Ukraine | The Weekly Standard

Nothing new...

Marc Thiessen: Obama alone: This president does not need intel briefers - The Washington Post

A bogus defense of Obama’s intelligence briefing record - The Washington Post
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Old 03-03-2014, 11:48 AM   #25
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There is really nothing we can do except stay on the phone with the Russians, but the European Union is slow to act and coordinate any type of response with the UN its laughable. They probably should sent peacekeepers in when the Russian massed troops on the border and said it "was training exercises".

Does anybody remember the call leaked 2-3 weeks ago between the pentagon and our ambassador to the Ukraine? The Russians were really behind the scenes during the Olympics gearing up for this.


...staying on the phone after skipping intelligence briefings...great plan.
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Old 03-03-2014, 12:04 PM   #26
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Russia giving an ultimatum to Ukraine troops in crimea till tomorrow morning or face a storming of their bases. Very aggressive by Putin, pretty much an asshole
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Old 03-03-2014, 12:06 PM   #27
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BBC News - LIVE: Ukraine crisis: Grip tightens


Shit is about to get real.


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The press office for the Ukraine defence ministry in Crimea confirms to the BBC that an ultimatum from Russia's Black Sea Fleet has been delivered. The Russian naval forces are said to have given Ukraine's forces in the region until 05:00 local time (03:00 GMT) to surrender or else face an all-out assault.
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Old 03-03-2014, 12:15 PM   #28
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Russia giving an ultimatum to Ukraine troops in crimea till tomorrow morning or face a storming of their bases. Very aggressive by Putin, pretty much an asshole
Very in the face move, remember Kerry is going to Ukraine tomorrow. And at the same time he is talking economic moves Putin's fleet is going to massacre Ukrainian soldiers.

Obviously that's an extreme version of events, but still if Putin wants to intimidate eastern Europe (which does) and the former Soviet satellites, attacking Ukrainian soldiers while the US and allies blather about skipping a G8 meeting is absolutely the right move.

And I doubt Putin is bluffing.
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Old 03-03-2014, 12:15 PM   #29
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Re: Hey there's about to be a war in Ukraine.

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The whole world sees this President and sadly the United States as WEAK now, so the dictators and terrorists of the world are taking chances and making moves they would not normally make with a typical, strong United States President, foreign policy and military.

Putin is trying to re-assemble the USSR and this President is not going to stop him, or even care.
Exactly what dictators/terrorists are making moves that wouldn't be made with any other President? You mean like Gaddafi? Oh wait...he's dead.

Sounds like something stupid that Glenn Beck would say. Do you actually believe this dribble? Seriously? The only people that see the US as weak are moronic Tea Tards/Republidiots that continue their constant hatred over the black man. What's sad is I think Obama is a terrible President, but I simply can't get down with some of the garbage slung by Tea Tards.
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Re: Hey there's about to be a war in Ukraine.

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Very in the face move, remember Kerry is going to Ukraine tomorrow. And at the same time he is talking economic moves Putin's fleet is going to massacre Ukrainian soldiers.

Obviously that's an extreme version of events, but still if Putin wants to intimidate eastern Europe (which does) and the former Soviet satellites, attacking Ukrainian soldiers while the US and allies blather about skipping a G8 meeting is absolutely the right move.

And I doubt Putin is bluffing.
Wonder if this will drive the rest of Eastern Europe towards NATO?
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