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Old 07-11-2018, 05:19 PM   #46
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Ok. But as I understand it you kinda practice law or something.

So, if a lawyer in a department is leaving, and the boss wants that lawyer's opinion on who might be a good replacement, is that ethically wrong to ask? Would you assume sinister intent if you were asked?
No, it is not ethically wrong for an employer to ask an employee to recommend a replacement.

However, a Supreme Court justice is not an employee of the President but rather a member of a separate and equal branch of the government. Does that make it inherently ethically wrong? No. Do I think its good practice? No.

Does it have the potential to create unnecessary entanglements of justices in the political process? Yes. Think about it ... do we want justices lobbying presidents cutting side deals during elections or with sitting Presidents? "You know ... if I retire, you could appoint my successor. Oh by the way, I hear there is a nice little ambassadorship opening up in the Caribbean. If I can't get that, I might as well stay on the bench."

I realize that's pretty cynical and hyperbole but it's not a path we want to start down.
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Old 07-11-2018, 05:28 PM   #47
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No, it is not ethically wrong for an employer to ask an employee to recommend a replacement.

However, a Supreme Court justice is not an employee of the President but rather a member of a separate and equal branch of the government. Does that make it inherently ethically wrong? No. Do I think its good practice? No.

Does it have the potential to create unnecessary entanglements of justices in the political process? Yes. Think about it ... do we want justices lobbying presidents cutting side deals during elections or with sitting Presidents? "You know ... if I retire, you could appoint my successor. Oh by the way, I hear there is a nice little ambassadorship opening up in the Caribbean. If I can't get that, I might as well stay on the bench."

I realize that's pretty cynical and hyperbole but it's not a path we want to start down.
So instead of asking a judge, who had a lifetime appointment, and can retire at his/her choosing (I doubt that any of them are really in need of an ambassadorship at the fine spry age of 80, though if RBG wants to be leave for 1 - I'm ok with that), we should ask those 100 fine apolitical senators, or a nice neutral group like the heritage foundation or ACLU.

Nominating a new SC Justice is the one case in all of our constitution (I think) where the executive branch and the legislative branch, through advise and consent, get to bring politics directly into the SC. If it can be headed off by asking a well respected moderate justice who they think would be the ideal replacement, I would take that 50 times out of 50, over the political side show that is about to ensue.

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Old 07-11-2018, 05:57 PM   #48
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Chico, DENIAL isn't just a river in Egypt any more.
G1 rethinking some things ďu know, why havenít we been back to the moon?Ē...ĒArea 51, possible next vacation spot?Ē.....googles: trump + Illuminati....
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Old 07-11-2018, 09:14 PM   #49
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G1 rethinking some things ďu know, why havenít we been back to the moon?Ē...ĒArea 51, possible next vacation spot?Ē.....googles: trump + Illuminati....
LOL, # triggered.
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Old 09-19-2020, 11:18 AM   #50
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RBG has passed away. Rest In Peace.
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Old 09-19-2020, 11:38 AM   #51
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I guess any political pissing can go here and keep the RIP thread just condolences.

Mitch is going to Mitch. If the dems canít stop it, they canít stop it. But there is a price to be paid. This would be the final nail in civil democracy and decorum. The future generations are going to be majority Democrat. In 20 years even Texas will be blue or at least tightly contested. You can steal a SC seat now but within my lifetime, it will be Dems controlling the legis and executive for decades to come.

Older white people and rural whites are a decreasing demographic. Democrat voters are only rising. Itís inevitable. 10 to 20 years from now republicans can whine but statesmanship was killed by McConnell.
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Old 09-19-2020, 11:55 AM   #52
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Old 09-19-2020, 12:01 PM   #53
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Lol many will ... Iím okay. If Mitch can get it in, he can get it in.
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Old 09-19-2020, 01:59 PM   #54
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Personally for the country sake, and his reelection chance Trump should put forth his candidate ask Biden to do the same, and ask the senate to wait until january. By making the election about the SC he will have an energized base and the liberals will be divided over who there nominee should pick.

And, by taking the high road of waiting, the country will hopefully accept the outcome in January more easily.

While a conservative in this seat would cement the majority for a long time having a moderate liberal which is who Biden would have to put forth, it would still keep or shift the balance to the right some.

But Trump is likely going to name someone, and the Senate Republicans will screw it up by attacking each other rather than looking at the long game.

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I guess any political pissing can go here and keep the RIP thread just condolences.

Mitch is going to Mitch. If the dems canít stop it, they canít stop it. But there is a price to be paid. This would be the final nail in civil democracy and decorum. The future generations are going to be majority Democrat. In 20 years even Texas will be blue or at least tightly contested. You can steal a SC seat now but within my lifetime, it will be Dems controlling the legis and executive for decades to come.

Older white people and rural whites are a decreasing demographic. Democrat voters are only rising. Itís inevitable. 10 to 20 years from now republicans can whine but statesmanship was killed by McConnell.
That coffin is already nailed up. If the other part is true, that's actually an argument to try to cram one down now. And pick the youngest candidate to boot because we might never get a chance to appoint one again.
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I guess any political pissing can go here and keep the RIP thread just condolences.



Mitch is going to Mitch. If the dems canít stop it, they canít stop it. But there is a price to be paid. This would be the final nail in civil democracy and decorum. The future generations are going to be majority Democrat. In 20 years even Texas will be blue or at least tightly contested. You can steal a SC seat now but within my lifetime, it will be Dems controlling the legis and executive for decades to come.



Older white people and rural whites are a decreasing demographic. Democrat voters are only rising. Itís inevitable. 10 to 20 years from now republicans can whine but statesmanship was killed by McConnell.
This assumes an inaccurate detail. That race determines politics. When people see the devastation of liberal financial policies and as conservatives shed their outdated social policies the balance will shift again. That is the pendulumn of politics and it will always happen. I will be glad when race is no longer a tool that dems use to separate us.

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CRED - race is a part of it. But also gender and age. Each year the dem base grows, the republican base shrinks. Republicans tried to shred their outdated social platform leading up to 2016 ... then trump happened.

I personally wish someone like Kasich or Paul Ryan would step forward and steer the Republican Party back to center. Iím 42 and I should be morphing into a republican but I just canít get on board with a Trump train wreck or a Ted Cruz or a Tom cotton. If they guys follow trump, lots of 40 and 50 something educated wonít be switching over.

The Republican Party is literally dying. They usually only lead in white voters but even that is changing.

You canít defend a guy like trump then expect independents or educated people to join.

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Devastation of liberal financial policies??

Come on c red .... thatís laughable considering what Trump has done btw tarriffs requiring huge bailouts for farmers (bigger than Obama during the recession created by bush), sky rocketing deficit accrues during a time of good growth economy ... trumps gdp is average compared to what it should be .. tax reform intentionally targeting blue states ...
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CRED - race is a part of it. But also gender and age. Each year the dem base grows, the republican base shrinks. Republicans tried to shred their outdated social platform leading up to 2016 ... then trump happened.



I personally wish someone like Kasich or Paul Ryan would step forward and steer the Republican Party back to center. Iím 42 and I should be morphing into a republican but I just canít get on board with a Trump train wreck or a Ted Cruz or a Tom cotton. If they guys follow trump, lots of 40 and 50 something educated wonít be switching over.



The Republican Party is literally dying. They usually only lead in white voters but even that is changing.



You canít defend a guy like trump then expect independents or educated people to join.



https://www.pewresearch.org/politics...raphic-groups/
I am fine with the republican party dying but the values of fiscal conservatism (obviously Trump is not that) wont so at some point a party without the race/gender stigma that supports non liberal/socialist platforms will take hold either under a republican banner or like the WFT under a name not yet known.

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Devastation of liberal financial policies??



Come on c red .... thatís laughable considering what Trump has done btw tarriffs requiring huge bailouts for farmers (bigger than Obama during the recession created by bush), sky rocketing deficit accrues during a time of good growth economy ... trumps gdp is average compared to what it should be .. tax reform intentionally targeting blue states ...
Trump is not a fiscal conservative. What his policies show is that if there is not a viable sane economic party we will be headed the way of argentina.

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