trump Inpeachment...............

[Giantone]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...cy/4001258002/


WASHINGTON – Gordon Sondland, the U.S. ambassador to the European Union, told the House impeachment panel investigating President Donald Trump on Thursday that he was disappointed that he had to consult with the president's personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani on Ukraine policy.

Sondland told the committees – Foreign Affairs, Intelligence and Oversight and Reform – that withholding military aid for a political investigation would be wrong.

"Let me state clearly: Inviting a foreign government to undertake investigations for the purpose of influencing an upcoming U.S. election would be wrong," Sondland said. "Withholding foreign aid in order to pressure a foreign government to take such steps would be wrong. I did not and would not ever participate in such undertakings."

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Buffalo Bob

You can't be serious. That gives the false perception that racism is running rampant and effecting a huge amount of our population 24-7. How would liberals feel if the media was overwhelmingly right wing and they "shined a bright light" on every violent crime committed by lets say, Asian gay men. You know with a population of 300 million plus there is an Asian gay man that beat up his boyfriend or did something violent on a daily basis. Now you have this narrative that Asian gay men are very dangerous, brought to you by your local media.

I am pushing 60, worked at some large companies plus traveled around half the US states and interacted with quite a few people. I can recall two incidences of obvious racism I witnessed in all that time. If you believed the liberal media you would think I should have seen 100,000 of them.

I don't mean to be flip but are you sure you were looking ? What I mean is maybe you saw things that you don't think were racial but were yet maybe not flagrant in your eyes? Maybe the way a person was treating the Hispanic grass cutting guys or people going to a certain cashier at a grocery store maybe it's a racial thing and you just didn't know it?

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Buffalo Bob

You can't be serious. That gives the false perception that racism is running rampant and effecting a huge amount of our population 24-7.

.....................it is. trump is leading the way.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Buffalo Bob

You can't be serious. That gives the false perception that racism is running rampant and effecting a huge amount of our population 24-7. How would liberals feel if the media was overwhelmingly right wing and they "shined a bright light" on every violent crime committed by lets say, Asian gay men. You know with a population of 300 million plus there is an Asian gay man that beat up his boyfriend or did something violent on a daily basis. Now you have this narrative that Asian gay men are very dangerous, brought to you by your local media.



I am pushing 60, worked at some large companies plus traveled around half the US states and interacted with quite a few people. I can recall two incidences of obvious racism I witnessed in all that time. If you believed the liberal media you would think I should have seen 100,000 of them.

You’re right, not reporting it will make it go away



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[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Giantone

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...cy/4001258002/


WASHINGTON – Gordon Sondland, the U.S. ambassador to the European Union, told the House impeachment panel investigating President Donald Trump on Thursday that he was disappointed that he had to consult with the president's personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani on Ukraine policy.

Sondland told the committees – Foreign Affairs, Intelligence and Oversight and Reform – that withholding military aid for a political investigation would be wrong.

"Let me state clearly: Inviting a foreign government to undertake investigations for the purpose of influencing an upcoming U.S. election would be wrong," Sondland said. "Withholding foreign aid in order to pressure a foreign government to take such steps would be wrong. I did not and would not ever participate in such undertakings."

I agree here...it needs to be defined better: US Tax payers

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Buffalo Bob

I suppose you are also fine with people like Jesse Smollet who make up claims of racism that didn't happen.

No, not at all. It was good that he was exposed, right?

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Buffalo Bob

I suppose you are also fine with people like Jesse Smollet who make up claims of racism that didn't happen.

You should know by now I'm about as liberal as it gets and I couldn't be happier that Smollett was exposed for making that shit up. We don't need to lie about intolerance when plenty is already happening all around us. Anybody that feels the need to lie to stir the pot should be called out on it.

You think because most white people keep it subtly hidden below the surface it doesn't exist?

I've worked for the county for 3 1/2 years now and I've seen plenty of subtle racism. Techs (conservative white of course) complaining that these minorities driving buses/vehicles don't know how to drive or pre-trip worth a shit. Race has nothing to do with it, shitty drivers exist in all skin colors. Yet somehow these techs only want to complain about the minority drivers. And they only feel comfortable talking about them when none of my minority coworkers are around.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by mooby

You should know by now I'm about as liberal as it gets and I couldn't be happier that Smollett was exposed for making that shit up. We don't need to lie about intolerance when plenty is already happening all around us. Anybody that feels the need to lie to stir the pot should be called out on it.

You think because most white people keep it subtly hidden below the surface it doesn't exist?

I've worked for the county for 3 1/2 years now and I've seen plenty of subtle racism. Techs (conservative white of course) complaining that these minorities driving buses/vehicles don't know how to drive or pre-trip worth a shit. Race has nothing to do with it, shitty drivers exist in all skin colors. Yet somehow these techs only want to complain about the minority drivers. And they only feel comfortable talking about them when none of my minority coworkers are around.

Conservatives white of course. Really? I bet all of them because you know their political beliefs. And they use “these minorities? “ not adding up. And I’m sure if they were white drivers they wouldn’t be complaining? Like these guys drive so good we never have to service the buses/vehicles. Everyone would be so happy at there service job, no complaining. Sigh.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Conservatives white of course. Really? I bet all of them because you know their political beliefs. And they use “these minorities? “ not adding up. And I’m sure if they were white drivers they wouldn’t be complaining? Like these guys drive so good we never have to service the buses/vehicles. Everyone would be so happy at there service job, no complaining. Sigh.

We have 1800 school buses in my fleet, and the majority of drivers are minorities. The majority of my coworkers (techs and parts countermen) are also white and heavily conservative. Even my own boss, a guy who doesn't follow the news but won't discuss politics, blindly supports Trump. I don't need to make this shit up, I live it every day. Even my own dad (white, conservative) thinks minorities are bad drivers because of where they come from.

It's pathetic that you think there isn't a link that can't be drawn from white conservatives disliking minorities because their way of life in whatever 3rd world country they came from was different than it is here.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Buffalo Bob

My point was when speaking of the subtle racist or whatever you would like to call them, as long as they hide it they are not hurting any thing except their own reputation. I didn't claim they don't exist.

Bob the problem is these racists who are careful to hide their ignorance have only been emboldened since Trump took office. They see the language he uses and feel like they can get away with being louder about it in public now. And I don't want to get into the Trump/racist argument again but literally, off the top of my head, I can recall Trump talking about shithole countries, the Muslim ban (because all Muslims are bad, not just a small percentage of them), Mexicans only sending their worst (rapists and criminals), and I'm sure I could dig up more if need be. He panders to the racist vote because there's no vote he's not willing to beg for. And that is just as bad as being racist.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Buffalo Bob

My point was when speaking of the subtle racist or whatever you would like to call them, as long as they hide it they are not hurting any thing except their own reputation. I didn't claim they don't exist.

You did claim you don't see it and while you might not think it's racism but it is.Hiding /refusing to acknowledge it doesn't help resolve the problem.Make no mistake racism is taught and a learned behavior.

[mooby]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...uo/ar-AAJX8hp?

Bill Taylor says he had a clear understanding that it was a quid pro quo arrangement with the Ukraine.

I swear if it had been Obama doing this shit the right would be screaming bloody murder.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by mooby

We have 1800 school buses in my fleet, and the majority of drivers are minorities. The majority of my coworkers (techs and parts countermen) are also white and heavily conservative. Even my own boss, a guy who doesn't follow the news but won't discuss politics, blindly supports Trump. I don't need to make this shit up, I live it every day. Even my own dad (white, conservative) thinks minorities are bad drivers because of where they come from.

It's pathetic that you think there isn't a link that can't be drawn from white conservatives disliking minorities because their way of life in whatever 3rd world country they came from was different than it is here.

There isn’t a link and too call every conservative a racist is a fucking lie. It’s weird, and hilarious I guess if I’ve told you the most racist people I’ve know in my life were liberals. But that can’t be huh?

[NC_Skins]

Are there any idiots left on this board that still defends Trump?

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

There isn’t a link and too call every conservative a racist is a fucking lie. It’s weird, and hilarious I guess if I’ve told you the most racist people I’ve know in my life were liberals. But that can’t be huh?

You're right. Not all Republicans are racist, but all racists are Republicans.



You really have to stop and think about your views and values when white nationalist and neo-nazi's align with your political party.