Trump Accomplishments

[SunnySide]

Originally Posted by Buffalo Bob

Try "You didn't build that" with that Obama insulted every business owner in the USA, and that would include me, screw him.

"There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me – because they want to give something back. They know they didn't – look, if you've been successful, you didn't get there on your own. You didn't get there on your own. I'm always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something – there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there. (Applause.)

If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business, you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn't get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.

The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together. There are some things, just like fighting fires, we don't do on our own. I mean, imagine if everybody had their own fire service. That would be a hard way to organize fighting fires."

Obama, July 13, 2012

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I could see how someone could take offense to someone saying they didnt build their own company or their own companys success is not based on the owners hard work or intelligence. A person should take a lot of pride in running a small business. And perhaps may be sensitive to others, who no nothing of their own personal story, to say they dont get 100% of the credit for what they built. How would that person know how much blood or sweat or the risks of the debt the owner had to take on to make it happen.

It seems taking that interpretation of what he said would be ignoring the part where he said a few sentences later that ... "The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together."

I think reasonable minds would agree small business in America are not each on their own isolated island but each small business benefits from being part of a well run society and economy.

in the most basic rudimentary sense ... we, as small businesses, are reliant on customers and clients and the roads (or internet) that connect us to our customers and the marketplace. I certainly couldnt do my job and make income if there werent cars on the road, laws for driving cars, doctors, hospitals, insurance companies, courthouses, judges, balliffs etc ..

Obama is clearly talking about the help that we each got (or should have got) along the way. he mentions a great teacher as an example. I do think we all have benefited from someone helping us, showing us how it is done, perhaps encouraging us, giving us our first job or giving us a business loan etc ...

Thank you for the example BB.

(I believe you said you are not a trump supporter so im not going to parade the lengthy tweets form him specifically attacking half the country or businesses etc)

[SunnySide]

Originally Posted by Buffalo Bob

As for "evolving" in whose right mind should grown men share a restroom with little girls, that is insane. Progressively more crazy if you ask me. Some things don't need to change, they are fine as they are.

Obama made it a federal regulation for school children to be able to use the bathroom they identify with. My daughter is 7 and a boy in her school wears dresses sometimes or a sparkly glove. In my own personal heart, I hope that kid gets to use the bathroom he is most comfortable with.

As for adults .. I dont 100% know where I stand. To be honest, I havent been confronted with that situation where a man walked into a womans bathroom when my daughter was in there. I honestly dont know what i would do until i was put in that spot.

I try not take the most controversial thing from a political group and use that as an example of all of their ideas or beliefs though. I imagine a lot of moderate dems are not okay with making any bathroom open for any person.

There are many moderate dems and moderate republicans ... and i imagine they agree with each other on a lot of things.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Buffalo Bob

I thought Obama was supposed to bring people together, how do you do that by constantly bad mouthing 1/2 the population, plus rich people and businesses? Most overrated president by his supporters in the history of the USA. I have seen polls where supposed presidential scholars rated him above Kennedy. What a freaking joke. I guess they figured dealing with the Cuban missile crisis and averting WWIII was not as important as putting a man in the ladies room.

............very trumpish of you .Obama brought many but the hating people of this great nation together,the man won in a landslide twice . So while your bias hate filled rant is entertaining it is at the same time ignorant and moronic all so , congratulations.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Back2RFK

You have to love these statements without any facts to back them up.

You scream like kellyann yet you don't a fact to discredit a thing.

[SunnySide]

Pulling out of Afghanistan. I sincerely and honestly thank Trump for pulling out of Afghanistan and Syria. These were endless occupations and I think a vast majority of Americans wanted a more limited endless military commitment to areas like Afghanistan. Obama and Trump ran on a platform of less occupation and bringing troops home.

I will say this .... im 100% convinced if Obama or any Dem did a sudden pull out from Syria or Afghanistan with an agreement to release 5000 taliban soldiers like Trump has ... republicans, fox news talking heads and some people here would be demanding he be removed from office, talking about how he just spit on the graves of the 2,441 US troops who lost their lives there since 2001.

Instead we get a muted response from Graham and Rubio that is buried down below the fold on Fox News. No reporting of the 2 soldiers just killed days after the supposed peace treaty and buried article from Fox on how Trump is the first US president ever to talk w the Taliban.

Both parties suffer from hypocrisy. This time its the Republicans that are wearing it.

[SunnySide]

Maybe Ill start a wonderlic test thread and we can all take it, (lie about our scores) and compare. Have the wonderlic scores been revealed yet?

Its hard ..

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

Maybe Ill start a wonderlic test thread and we can all take it, (lie about our scores) and compare. Have the wonderlic scores been revealed yet?



Its hard ..

I wonder if i can get matty to change my nick to WileECoyote. You know, since im a super genius

Sent from my SM-G973U using Tapatalk

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Buffalo Bob

I am just sick and tired of liberals demeaning the intelligence of those that don't think like them, and all the petty name calling, we aren't in 3rd grade. I have a few long term friends I no longer speak with because they went half crazy when Trump got elected. G1 seems a spitting image of them. Strange thing is none of them followed democrat party lines 100% till Trump got elected, both of them used to mock and make fun of gay people, yet now I am a "hater" and a "moron" to them because I don't think a dude in a dress belongs in the ladies room.

You need a fucking snickers "both of who use to mock and make fun of gay people" ????? We get it you're not in 3rd grade your acting like you're in kindergarten!

[mike340]

I consider Hillary the most "despicable" of them all.

Many/most political "contests" have criticism of the opponents. But I remember NO election where a candidate denigrated the constituency of the opposing party until this one.

I was a Democrat and then switched to Republican in 1981. Until 2016 I felt one could have a reasonable conversation between people of the different parties. Now all the Republicans I know are afraid of telling anyone they're Republican. That is not at all true for the Democrats I know. Hillary has single-handedly made communication impossible by reducing Republicans to "despicables" in the eyes of Democrats. And, as well all know, despicable people don't need to be listened to.

As far as why I became a Republican: in 1981, I was working as an actuary and heard all the partisan rhetoric about the Tax Act of 1981. But because of what I was doing at work, I actually had to read the entire document. When I was done, I realized that the Democrats portrayal of it was extremely distorted (for their own ends) and the Republican portrayal was quite loyal to what the act said. Between that and the Democrats ridiculous demands that the tax system should not be reformed (no movement of tax brackets with inflation?) I could no longer be a Democrat.

Hillary's "despicable" remark made it impossible to vote for her, as it also reminded me of the Inquisition. ("You will believe like I do or you're dead or garbage.")

In addition, I lived in Boston from 1975-1989 and saw the beginning of the career of John Kerry. I remember thinking at the time that he was an enemy of the U.S. (I was still a Democrat at that time.) Whenever he traveled he always made sure to visit our worst enemies and do photo ops with them. He also always spoke well of them.

Combine that with the fact that the Obama administration started up relations with Cuba who had tried to kill our family and my father in particular (bomb under his desk that someone else set off) because he was the Chief Consul at our town in Venezuela, and that one of my best friends in elementary school lost his father (an ambassador) to assassination by the Cubans: this action also made it impossible to vote Democratic. Maybe if there had been a change in regime, but it was still run by the same family (the even-worse brother of Fidel, Raul.)

Years ago I had great hopes for Ross Perot's new party until Patrick Buchanon abused the rules to get the nomination. I was hoping for a new centrist party.

In the end, I was happy Trump won last time since it would (hopefully) give the Republicans a message that we don't want religion controlling the platform. My hope was that an old-style Republican party would re-emerge, focusing on smaller government, and not controlled by the religious "hard-liners."

In my view, Trump later wasn't allowed to do anything from the get-go, thus not allowing the voters from seeing what he might do. This I felt was due to the "sore-loser" status of the Democrats. For the magazine "Science", they put in a physicist as the head some time before Trump became president. That physicist was, however, a former member of congress (Democrat) and had been tagged as one of the 17 most liberal members of Congress. (I am not aware of anyone so political having been put in a position of control there before.) So now the magazine is inundated with covers of hungry children and climate change. Many of the articles are now written by journalists, not scientists. They organized a march within 3 months of Trump taking office. In the meantime, Obama was getting a Nobel Peace Prize at about the same time in his term. (Why? I don't know. I thought we were NOT to be judged by the color of our skin.) They are taking lots of advertising from China, and (almost) never criticize them for anything. The magazine now has a lot of the space dedicated to politically active topics, which wasn't the case before, and the scientific part has been greatly reduced.

So if they want to look for foreign influence peddling, shouldn't they also look for China meddling in our elections?

As far as Hillary, I got to meet a guy from Jamaica who works for some banking group covering all the Americas. He told me the Clintons are despised in Haiti, where they did really no good for the people but made it look like they did. He asked my why the Democrats are so focused on helping people who break the law. I had never looked at it that way. In any event, he showed me how things appear from outside the country.

Sorry if this is rambling, but I'm stuck in this "quarantine"...

Final note: I don't like the motives of a lot of the latinos here. My wife told me that she would have had nothing to do with those types in Mexico. (She is from Mexico and is only here because of me.) Where families have a financially-responsible 2 to 3 kids in Mexico, they have far more when they are here because the government will help. I have 6, but ask no help. I would like to have the state pay for some of their homeschooling, however, as we play (plenty of) property taxes and the schools in P.G. are pathetic. When we were in the hospital having the last one, a woman from "Casa de Maryland", an agency for latinos that receives quite a bit of money from the state, was almost fighting with my wife, telling her that she should divorce "her husband" so that she could be a single mother and receive state benefits. When they saw me, however, they immediately stopped and quickly left.

There are many events that I could recount, as I DON'T judge anyone by the color of their skin (my wife is the darkest in her family, which her family makes a big deal about), but by their actions, and so have been in many places where I have heard many things (frequently as the only non-latino at a latino party). I cannot, however, ignore trends, and so will generalize, as we all do, whether we admit it or not. It is crucial, however, that whatever generalizations one makes about a group never clouds one's judgement about the individuals one meets, and it is further of the utmost importance that all receive a fair chance to be treated equally. (I must also add that I became friends with a lot of the black students when I was at M.I.T., and was able to get a view of some of the difficulties they faced, but this email is long enough as is.

So, hopefully, no one will rip me a new one for this post, but since all my posts up to now have been ignored, I may be pretty safe after all.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by mike340

I consider Hillary the most "despicable" of them all.

l.

BS, trump beats her by a mile.

[mike340]

Originally Posted by Giantone

BS, trump beats her by a mile.

If you didn't read the rest of my post you proved my point.

(By the way, thanks for all the other nice posts, (quarantine, boobs, etc.) that you put up. But we can't all agree on everything!)

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by mike340

If you didn't read the rest of my post you proved my point.

(By the way, thanks for all the other nice posts, (quarantine, boobs, etc.) that you put up. But we can't all agree on everything!)

No , I did read it .Again trump is ten times worse .Hillary said something about deplorable and you and others have a cow,trump bad mouths and entire race(Hispanics), he bad mouths a war Hero's family and ...it's ok that's not as bad as calling the ignorant voters that voted for trump deplorable s? Yup to me it's BS.

[SunnySide]

Originally Posted by mike340

I consider Hillary the most "despicable" of them all.

Many/most political "contests" have criticism of the opponents. But I remember NO election where a candidate denigrated the constituency of the opposing party until this one.

I was a Democrat and then switched to Republican in 1981. Until 2016 I felt one could have a reasonable conversation between people of the different parties. Now all the Republicans I know are afraid of telling anyone they're Republican. That is not at all true for the Democrats I know. Hillary has single-handedly made communication impossible by reducing Republicans to "despicables" in the eyes of Democrats. And, as well all know, despicable people don't need to be listened to.

As far as why I became a Republican: in 1981, I was working as an actuary and heard all the partisan rhetoric about the Tax Act of 1981. But because of what I was doing at work, I actually had to read the entire document. When I was done, I realized that the Democrats portrayal of it was extremely distorted (for their own ends) and the Republican portrayal was quite loyal to what the act said. Between that and the Democrats ridiculous demands that the tax system should not be reformed (no movement of tax brackets with inflation?) I could no longer be a Democrat.

Hillary's "despicable" remark made it impossible to vote for her, as it also reminded me of the Inquisition. ("You will believe like I do or you're dead or garbage.")

In addition, I lived in Boston from 1975-1989 and saw the beginning of the career of John Kerry. I remember thinking at the time that he was an enemy of the U.S. (I was still a Democrat at that time.) Whenever he traveled he always made sure to visit our worst enemies and do photo ops with them. He also always spoke well of them.

Combine that with the fact that the Obama administration started up relations with Cuba who had tried to kill our family and my father in particular (bomb under his desk that someone else set off) because he was the Chief Consul at our town in Venezuela, and that one of my best friends in elementary school lost his father (an ambassador) to assassination by the Cubans: this action also made it impossible to vote Democratic. Maybe if there had been a change in regime, but it was still run by the same family (the even-worse brother of Fidel, Raul.)

Years ago I had great hopes for Ross Perot's new party until Patrick Buchanon abused the rules to get the nomination. I was hoping for a new centrist party.

In the end, I was happy Trump won last time since it would (hopefully) give the Republicans a message that we don't want religion controlling the platform. My hope was that an old-style Republican party would re-emerge, focusing on smaller government, and not controlled by the religious "hard-liners.

So, hopefully, no one will rip me a new one for this post, but since all my posts up to now have been ignored, I may be pretty safe after all.

Hey mike, hope all is good with you. I didn’t reply to your coronavirus posts because I know you were providing data but it looked like something out of the matrix with a wall of numbers.

As to this post, you do you man. I can understand if you voted for trump thinking he would help separate the Republican Party from the religious right .... but I find it absurd that you blame democrats for blocking trump. Republicans controlled both senate and house for 2 years.

Any reasonable and intellectually honest person can’t blame dems for trump cow toeing to the religious right. That’s his base, he has embraced that. Pence was brought on to reinforce that.

Just my opinion. I don’t think you are being objective or honest. Which is cool. That’s fine. Your life, your thoughts, your vote.

Do you. But I find most of your reasoning to be tunnel visioned and not intellectually objective.

Which cool. Cheers

[SunnySide]

I should say I find your political reasons to be bias .... I am sorry to hear about your personal experiences, those type of events would certainly shape my world view more than Hillary one time using the term “deplorable”. Your personal story can never be bias or wrong because you lived it and only you get to decide how you view and grow in life from your past experiences.

[Chico23231]

Could you imagine if the virus hit in a middling economy?


And mike, you are kinda cringing me out.