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Old 12-19-2022, 10:40 AM   #16
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Offense Sucks/Turner Sucks/Refs Suck Post-Game Thread

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Actually, Heinicke made only 1 poor decision in the game and got away with it. The fumbling issue which was key really doesn't go into the decision category.

Idk about that. He definitely missed more than a couple open guys and threw where he shouldn’t have - sort of a hallmark of his.

Also he overthrew/ underthrew a few. Another hallmark. Not poor decision making there but poor play.
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TH is just too limited for any real sustained success.

The winning streak was nice but let's be honest a lot of things have to go right for TH's limitations to not burn you. This offense has a very low margin for error with him under center.

Didn't help the defense got gashed and the refs were their usual garbage selves.

Going back to Wentz has to be a real discussion now.
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Old 12-19-2022, 10:50 AM   #18
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TH is just too limited for any real sustained success.

The winning streak was nice but let's be honest a lot of things have to go right for TH's limitations to not burn you. This offense has a very low margin for error with him under center.

Didn't help the defense got gashed and the refs were their usual garbage selves.

This is the reason so many of us want Howell. Ok he’s a rookie who cares?? All of these rookies are playing now. I don’t want Wentz but man his arm is so much better than THs.

We can beat the bad teams but there is probably a 10% chance we win Saturday. Hell maybe less. SF is playing like the 2nd best team in football right now.

How are we going to score on that defense???


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Let’s not let Ron off the hook. His team came out flat AF after a bye against the same team we just played. Dude brings nothing to the table. Apparently doesn’t motivate anyone, isn’t a very good in game Coach, is a terrible GM.

Oline might be the worst pass pro line Ive ever seen. Scott Turner is complete garbage. He just is too stubborn to understand what his offense is capable of. Logan Thomas days of being a TE-1 are long gone. Taylor Heinicke cannot read the field, and he underthrows or overthrows almost every other ball. Never hits anyone in stride.
Basically outside of wr and rb our offense needs a complete overhaul.

Defense played well, but we really struggle getting to the quarterback. Bostic, there are no words.
That sums up our current group. Once again, Rivera's record speaks for itself. He has to take full responsibility for Scott Turner's ineptness and a crappy o-line.

Defensively, we're too reliant on Allen and Payne.
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TH is just too limited for any real sustained success.

The winning streak was nice but let's be honest a lot of things have to go right for TH's limitations to not burn you. This offense has a very low margin for error with him under center.

Didn't help the defense got gashed and the refs were their usual garbage selves.

Going back to Wentz has to be a real discussion now.
This is the biggest takeaway for me. Scott Turners job right now is very difficult. He has to try to scheme around a QB who cannot process and read the field very well, AND also cannot get the ball to WRs who are open very well either. And, an offensive line that cannot stop hardly anyone's pass rush. B Rob is his only sure bet right now...because Gibson is always a fumble away from ruining a drive in the back of his mind. I'm not forgiving him totally here, after 3 Samuel runs that got totally stuffed, maybe move away from those and just give it to B Rob more since he was rolling. And why can't we run a successful screen pass? You don't have to have a good oline to do that...but they can't and don't do them. Like others have said, this team has to play a perfect game AND get a few breaks...and they didn't either last night.
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Other gripes - thought the playcalling had weak moments - like running Curtis Samuel up the middle on third down. Running Samuel was bad the entire game - they were ready for him every time. Not chipping Thibodeaux - he embarrassed everyone he was lined up against. Overall I'm not impressed with Scott Turner. He needs to understand Heinicke and the offense's limitations and game plan around that.
I've been saying that for weeks! I'm positive Shanahan would get the most outta Heinicke and this offense as he'd be keenly aware of what he's working with from a QB and o-line standpoint.
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That last play was so bad even Dallas and Philly fans are saying we got fucked
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That last play was so bad even Dallas and Philly fans are saying we got fucked
My best friend, a Cowboy fan, texted me last night after the game and said, "A mugging."
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Despite the bs from the refs, if you're going to be a real playoff team you bury the Giants at home. We are not good enough to do that. It's the same old same old.. Heinicke, play calling, Turner, o-line..

Why do you run Samuel into the teeth of the defense and take BR out of the game? How stupid is that? Why does Ron let that happen? That is the dumbest shit ever. Take out BR who is running over the Giants and then give the ball to your 185lb WR to run up the middle. SMH...
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When it comes down to it you can't put it in the refs hands. If you are going to be a real playoff team you just beat the crap out of NY like the Eagles did and not put yourself in that situation. That's what the really good teams do. The Bengals just destroyed TB in the 2nd h. That is what you do.
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It's super frustrating because I still think we have the better team, but they obviously outplayed us last night. Sucks man, should have had that one. Have to find a way to take 2 our of these last 3 now to have a shot.
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1/10 on 3rd down conversion, but only 1 true 3 and out possession.

Turner is handcuffed with playing calling. Heinike just limits what yo can do, makes what we do do predictable and the O line is below average. Leno left alone is becoming a problem. Outside of receivers making incredible 50-50 catches and runs up the middle ... youd think the PA would be killer.

Jones ran 10/35. D goal no. 1 seemed to be not let Jones beat you with his feet so we called lots of zone vs man, spied him ... we achieved goal no. 1 but at what cost.

5 down lineman has been our answer to stopping the run past few weeks, Giants audibled out of a play early when we went 5 DL, got a nice pass play and we seemed hesitant to go 5 DL as much

Sweat - Im sure he'll have a decent PFF grade but hes been Kerrigan this year, quiet for long stretches then has a big stat game.

Allen/payne - Giants just doubled and chipped those guys right out of the equation.

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Bad luck at times, bad ref calls at times (hold on Lucas to negate a 11 yd run right before Thib scoop and score was BS)

Giants were the better team.
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For MLB games, you can look up an umpire scorecard for each game to see if the umps favored one team or another. Ex)



Not sure if someone does this for NFL games, but I haven't seen it. Sure would be cool if they did.
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Despite the bs from the refs, if you're going to be a real playoff team you bury the Giants at home. We are not good enough to do that. It's the same old same old.. Heinicke, play calling, Turner, o-line..

Why do you run Samuel into the teeth of the defense and take BR out of the game? How stupid is that? Why does Ron let that happen? That is the dumbest shit ever. Take out BR who is running over the Giants and then give the ball to your 185lb WR to run up the middle. SMH...
On a 3rd and 3!! I'm not a fan of it on any down/distance, but that's egregiously fucking stupid. Only a dumbass would call that.
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