Wanted: Playmakers

[diehard]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I'd have to strongly disagree here. Marshall is better than Moss. Is there really even an argument over that? Royal is hands down already a better wr than ARE. He had some monster games as a rookie. I don't know his numbers but he was near 100 catches. ARE has never even caught 60. Cooley is better than Tony S. But TE's don't have the same impact as top flight wr's do.

Compare Devin Thomas to Eddie Royal... both were rookie WRs last year.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by diehard

Compare Devin Thomas to Eddie Royal... both were rookies last year.

exception that proves the rule, Compare Ryan Leaf to Peyton Manning both were rookies at the same time.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by diehard

Yes. REL is a playmaker. He's proved that before signing with us. Would you say Santonio Holmes or Devin Hester are play makers? The answer is, with the right QB, (Cutler, Roethlisberger) definitely yes.

I'm not taking away Campbell's QB rating or his safe decision making. Just as your posts states, QB ratings obviously don't get you into the playoffs. I'd rather have a one of those QBs you mentioned and have a shot at postseason play than have a QB with a perfect QB rating and miss the playoffs.

GB had more winning seasons than losses with Farve and did they ever win the SB? You know the team that Farve is playing on always had a chance, even last years NYJ. As for DEN they were ranked near the bottom as far as defense goes.

On the contrary. Defense wins championships. And we don't do a lot of scoring of turnovers (see James Harrison and his low rating QB Roethlsberger)

Randle El may have been a playmaker with Pittsburgh. He has not been one with us.

As to your next point, Cutler and Favre did not make the playoffs last year. Your argument that you would rather have Cutler or Favre and make the playoffs is fallacious.

Next point: No, the team with Favre did not always have a chance, not when he threw for multiple interceptions in a game, as he often did.

Of course defense wins championships, unless a wild gunslinger quarterback screws it up by throwing interceptions. A good defense WANTS a qb who is careful with the ball, not a qb who gives the opposition points. The only time a gunslinger might be desirable is if one has a bad defense. Even then the winning percentage is not great.

Back to the basic point - history has shown that Super Bowls are more often won with qb's who are careful with the ball than those who are irresponsible with it. And I'd like to see us win another Super Bowl, not just put on a good offensive show only to have our hearts broken by a stupid interception.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by diehard

Those three trophies as your avatar are starting to rust. I don't know about y'all but I'm tired of 'eating off' championships of yesteryear. I might as well root for DAL if I have to do that...

You are right, they are starting to rust.

What was Gibbs' philosophy when we won them? AVOID TURNOVERS AT ALL COST. MAKE SURE YOU WIN THE TURNOVER BATTLE.

Because I want to win the Super Bowl, a wild gunslinger is the last person that I want to see under center.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by diehard

Compare Devin Thomas to Eddie Royal... both were rookie WRs last year.

In 2008 Royal caught 91 balls for 980 yards and 5 scores.

In 7 seasons Randle El has never achieved that many catches, those yards, or that many scores in one season.

Rookie or not, Royal wins hands-down.

[GMScud]

I don't understand the purpose of this thread.

[diehard]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Randle El may have been a playmaker with Pittsburgh. He has not been one with us.

As to your next point, Cutler and Favre did not make the playoffs last year. Your argument that you would rather have Cutler or Favre and make the playoffs is fallacious.

Next point: No, the team with Favre did not always have a chance, not when he threw for multiple interceptions in a game, as he often did.

Of course defense wins championships, unless a wild gunslinger quarterback screws it up by throwing interceptions. A good defense WANTS a qb who is careful with the ball, not a qb who gives the opposition points. The only time a gunslinger might be desirable is if one has a bad defense. Even then the winning percentage is not great.

Back to the basic point - history has shown that Super Bowls are more often won with qb's who are careful with the ball than those who are irresponsible with it. And I'd like to see us win another Super Bowl, not just put on a good offensive show only to have our hearts broken by a stupid interception.

So you believe the only way to improve this team is to spend more money and draft picks on improving the fourth ranked defense? Many did not want to draft WRs last year either.

[diehard]

Originally Posted by Lotus

In 2008 Royal caught 91 balls for 980 yards and 5 scores.

In 7 seasons Randle El has never achieved that many catches, those yards, or that many scores in one season.

Rookie or not, Royal wins hands-down.

Let's see Royal's production with Orton? No defending Marshall huh? He'll have his fair share of balls behind bars sooner or later.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by diehard

So you believe the only way to improve this team is to spend more money and draft picks on improving the fourth ranked defense? Many did not want to draft WRs last year either.

No. You are not paying attention. What I believe is that you are mistaken in the points which you have made. That is all.

[SC Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by GMScud

I don't understand the purpose of this thread.

Um, hello, clearly we needed another thread about this topic because it has not been adequately covered on this site. If you were some guy who just joined the board you would understand that.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by diehard

Let's see Royal's production with Orton? No defending Marshall huh? He'll have his fair share of balls behind bars sooner or later.

You argued that Randle El was more of a playmaker than Royal. You were wrong in this argument. That is all. No reason for me to mention Marshall.

[diehard]

Originally Posted by Lotus

You argued that Randle El was more of a playmaker than Royal. You were wrong in this argument. That is all. No reason for me to mention Marshall.

My point was (not mentioning Royal) was that Campbell is hindering Moss, Cooley, and REls (and Devin Thomas') productivity. No?

[Lotus]

diehard, a person who admits that they are wrong is worthy of respect.

Someone who cannot admit that they are wrong is neither correct nor worthy of respect.

Your choice.

[diehard]

Originally Posted by SC Skins Fan

Um, hello, clearly we needed another thread about this topic because it has not been adequately covered on this site. If you were some guy who just joined the board you would understand that.

You could say the same for 9/10 of the threads on the board...

[Lotus]

Here's what you said:
Moss, Randle El, and Cooley are better than Cutler's Brandon Marshall, Eddie Royal, and Daniel Graham/Tony Sheffler

You have been demonstrated mistaken in this statement, in which you in fact did mention Royal.

I'm not going to argue with you again until you argue with integrity.