Case Keenum to the Skins

[SFREDSKIN]

I think Redskins will draft any of the following in the first 3
Rounds, whoever is available:

Jones
Finley
Rypien
Auburn QB (forgot his name)

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by MTK

Nobody thinks Rosen is a "sure thing". But his ceiling is a hell of a lot higher than journeymen like Colt or Case.

Talking in facts and not in wishful player ceilings:
We got Case for cheap and he will be a stop gap QB, that is all. This is a small addition with no major subtraction to the Redskins. Even Case's salary is ok.
Case is better than Colt and JJ. For fucking sure.

At this point in Rosen's young and inexperienced career, Case has more of an ability to play now in the NFL and at a higher level than Rosen while Rosen acclimates. Stop gap.
In the past Case has thrived when working with a good offensive coordinator/Qb's coach. Gruden is supposed to be a good offensive coach.
I am not saying Case will suddenly be an All Star under Gruden, but there is a history of upside to Case's play when working with good coaching and a good offensive line and running game in front of him.
Having said that I still believe Case is nothing but a stop gap QB with experience a little bit of upside compared to Colt and JJ.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

Talking in facts and not in wishful player ceilings:
We got Case for cheap and he will be a stop gap QB, that is all. This is a small addition with no major subtraction to the Redskins. Even Case's salary is ok.
Case is better than Colt and JJ. For fucking sure.

At this point in Rosen's young and inexperienced career, Case has more of an ability to play now in the NFL and at a higher level than Rosen while Rosen acclimates. Stop gap.
In the past Case has thrived when working with a good offensive coordinator/Qb's coach. Gruden is supposed to be a good offensive coach.
I am not saying Case will suddenly be an All Star under Gruden, but there is a history of upside to Case's play when working with good coaching and a good offensive line and running game in front of him.
Having said that I still believe Case is nothing but a stop gap QB with experience a little bit of upside compared to Colt and JJ.

I don't disagree with anything you're saying but wouldn't it be nice to have a young arm in the mix too like Rosen or a draft pick?

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by MTK

I don't disagree with anything you're saying but wouldn't it be nice to have a young arm in the mix too like Rosen or a draft pick?

Yes, we are way over due to draft a young QB. In fact I used to love the practice of Beathard/Casserly drafting a QB almost every year in the mid to late rounds. Why not take a shot at QB fairly regularly in the draft?
Mark Rypien 6th round pick.
Stan Humphries 6th round pick.
Babe Laufenberg 6th round pick.
Jay Schroeder 3rd rounder (later traded to Raiders and we got Pro Bowl LT Jim Lachey).

I am against paying a high price (#15 pick) to get Rosen.
I like Rosen's potential, but I watch Rosen I am not convinced I see a NFL franchise player or player good enough to give up #15 or multiple picks. Yes, he has played on some shitty teams but individually his play is good, not great.
i think i would rather draft a 2nd round or lower QB. Not giving up a ton to take a chance, just like we would take a chance on Rosen.
#15 pick needs to be a blue chip Offensive Lineman or edge rusher which this draft has several and starts day one!. Day one starter is a prerequisite.

[rocnrik]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

Talking in facts and not in wishful player ceilings:
We got Case for cheap and he will be a stop gap QB, that is all. This is a small addition with no major subtraction to the Redskins. Even Case's salary is ok.
Case is better than Colt and JJ. For fucking sure.

At this point in Rosen's young and inexperienced career, Case has more of an ability to play now in the NFL and at a higher level than Rosen while Rosen acclimates. Stop gap.
In the past Case has thrived when working with a good offensive coordinator/Qb's coach. Gruden is supposed to be a good offensive coach.
I am not saying Case will suddenly be an All Star under Gruden, but there is a history of upside to Case's play when working with good coaching and a good offensive line and running game in front of him.
Having said that I still believe Case is nothing but a stop gap QB with experience a little bit of upside compared to Colt and JJ.

I agree with everything you said except what happens if Case plays lights out this year?? Now we have a problem 😬 he will want a long contract ... Cousins part 2...I won’t be surprised at all if Case plays very well ...

[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by rocnrik

I agree with everything you said except what happens if Case plays lights out this year?? Now we have a problem 😬 he will want a long contract ... Cousins part 2...I won’t be surprised at all if Case plays very well ...

I'd recommend franchising him 2 years.

[Buffalo Bob]

Originally Posted by rocnrik

I agree with everything you said except what happens if Case plays lights out this year?? Now we have a problem 😬 he will want a long contract ... Cousins part 2...I won’t be surprised at all if Case plays very well ...

How is Case Keenum going to play well? With the current state of the Redskin's supporting cast on offense Aaron Rodgers would struggle to throw for 3500 yards and 20 TDS.

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by Buffalo Bob

How is Case Keenum going to play well? With the current state of the Redskin's supporting cast on offense Aaron Rodgers would struggle to throw for 3500 yards and 20 TDS.

Left guard and WR are our main problems, you trade down het extra picks, your LG or WR in the 1st or second (vice versa) with the additional 2nd rounder you get your future QB (could also wait till the 3rd round) and instead get a pass rusher.

[MTK]

Skins could still trade for Rosen, I don't think Keenum comes into play with a potential deal at all.

[AnonEmouse]

Way I see it there are only 2 scenarios here.

1) Keenum is trade bait for AZ if they do want to ship Rosen and get a QB they trust in Keenum. If AZ were leaving us hanging on a respectable deal for Rosen then it makes sense to call their bluff, but with a relatively cheap option. Keenum doesn't have a downside in this scenario.
2) Keenum is going into camp as a straight battler for #1 with McCoy, and we either draft a reasonably high round QB (2 or 3) or we go lower for a cheap rookie that could sit behind whoever wins the battle. I can't see us doing this deal and then using up our #1 on a QB, especially with our need on the OL. I say they will trade picks to get an extra 2nd and maybe 3rd, then go OL, OL, QB then the rest. If the rookie shows potential we cut Keenum/McCoy free next offseason and if (and big if) Smith comes back, the rookie has a year under him. If the rookie doesn't cut it, we go QB 1st round next year. Keenum doesn't come off that good a deal in this scenario (I'd have gone with McCoy and risked tanking myself) but he's still pretty cheap and should be a serviceable starter for 1 season. I honestly think in a straight battle McCoy is out the door.

And I agree with the point that Keenum is not a turnover machine. That is key if you want him in as a 'bridge' QB. It's not a great deal, but its far from a bad one.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

A bit surprised i'm the only person who loves this move.

- After last season, we know we need to carry 3 active QBs in the season and currently we only have colt.
- We didn't give up anything of consequence for Keenum
- His 3.5MM cap his is honestly CHEAP for a veteran of his ability. For comparison, Bridgewater, another veteran many have suggested could have come her, made 6M to be a backup last year. Keenum is comparable, if not better than Bridgewater
- He is very Colt-esque in ability in playing style, so in the scenario one is the starter and the other is the backup, there would not be much drop-off in talent.
- IF the season goes south, we're likely cleaning house. we have no commitment in 2020 to Colt or Keenum. So its not like we are saddling the 2020 coach with Keenum's contract
- IF the season goes well, and Keenum is part of that, it means he's played well and we are in good position to retain him
- Keenum doesn't negatively impact our ability to trade for rosen or draft a QB early this year.
- His being on the roster means we don't need to feel pressured to trade more than we want for rosen or draft a QB higher than we need to. In the worst case scenario in which we aren't able to do either, we have two comparable and capable, if not exciting, starters. If we haven't made big moves for another QB, then it means we've used that draft capital and salary cap space to build a solid team around them.

Any way i look at it, Keenum is an all around WIN for this team and i LOVE the move. So for those who voted differently in the poll, please tell me what i'm missing.

[sdskinsfan2001]

I don't see a trade for Rosen now. I see Keenum as the starter to open the season until they decide whatever rookie we draft is ready to play.

Give me Lock in the 1st or Finley/Rypien/Grier in the 3rd or later.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by sdskinsfan2001

I don't see a trade for Rosen now. I see Keenum as the starter to open the season until they decide whatever rookie we draft is ready to play.

Give me Lock in the 1st or Finley/Rypien/Grier in the 3rd or later.

I think Colt still has the leg up on starting based on his experience in the offense.

[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by MTK

I think Colt still has the leg up on starting based on his experience in the offense.

Yeah. He definitely could be the starter. Just replace Keenum with Colt and the rest of my statement would stay the same. Think we have 3 QBs on the roster this year.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by sdskinsfan2001

I don't see a trade for Rosen now. I see Keenum as the starter to open the season until they decide whatever rookie we draft is ready to play.

Give me Lock in the 1st or Finley/Rypien/Grier in the 3rd or later.

I'd take Grier in the 3rd but he's Case 2.0, literally almost identical playing styles and size.

The only way I see us not getting Rosen is if another team (Miami or NYG) Has offered a 1st, and I don't see that happening.