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View Poll Results: Thoughts on Haskins' preseason debut
Impressed! 4 8.70%
He's about where I expected him to be 37 80.43%
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Old 08-22-2019, 08:43 AM   #136
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Re: Dwayne Haskins preseason thread

I don't think the question is whether you can expect a 2017 season from Keenum. That 2017 team had Stefon Diggs and Adam Thielen, the WR weapons were just night/day better than ours (fingers crossed on McLaurin tho).

The question for me is whether Keenum can give you what Alex Smith gave you before getting hurt. Smith was on pace for 3200 yards, 16 TDs, 8 INTs.

And he was 6-3 going into the game where he got hurt. With a healthy line and running game, with this defense, it's not far fetched for me to think Keenum can be what Alex was. The exception though is INTs. Alex was among the best at avoiding turnovers. But in 2017 Keenum only threw 7. Last year in Denver, he threw 15.

What you get from Keenum in the ball security department will determine everything. We're going to be a team with a small margin for error. We will limit teams on defense, so even an underachieving offense centered around a ground & pound style will still be in the game. The question is can Keenum convert just enough chances into points, or will he turn it over to the other team, and give them a short field for that field goal that makes the difference?

All I know is if you put Haskins in, you end up with 20 INTs and you're dead in the water from the jump. He's not there yet, we see it in the preseason.
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Old 08-22-2019, 08:51 AM   #137
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I don't think the question is whether you can expect a 2017 season from Keenum. That 2017 team had Stefon Diggs and Adam Thielen, the WR weapons were just night/day better than ours (fingers crossed on McLaurin tho).

The question for me is whether Keenum can give you what Alex Smith gave you before getting hurt. Smith was on pace for 3200 yards, 16 TDs, 8 INTs.

And he was 6-3 going into the game where he got hurt. With a healthy line and running game, with this defense, it's not far fetched for me to think Keenum can be what Alex was. The exception though is INTs. Alex was among the best at avoiding turnovers. But in 2017 Keenum only threw 7. Last year in Denver, he threw 15.

What you get from Keenum in the ball security department will determine everything. We're going to be a team with a small margin for error. We will limit teams on defense, so even an underachieving offense centered around a ground & pound style will still be in the game. The question is can Keenum convert just enough chances into points, or will he turn it over to the other team, and give them a short field for that field goal that makes the difference?

All I know is if you put Haskins in, you end up with 20 INTs and you're dead in the water from the jump. He's not there yet, we see it in the preseason.
Agree, Case had a miracle season in 2017, 81.4 Grade was among the best QBs. Our WRs are not close and Terry will have growing pains, you hardly ever see a rookie WR come in and dominate, Case will be Alex Smith if he doesn't turn it over.
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Old 08-22-2019, 09:14 AM   #138
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I don't think the question is whether you can expect a 2017 season from Keenum. That 2017 team had Stefon Diggs and Adam Thielen, the WR weapons were just night/day better than ours (fingers crossed on McLaurin tho).

The question for me is whether Keenum can give you what Alex Smith gave you before getting hurt. Smith was on pace for 3200 yards, 16 TDs, 8 INTs.

And he was 6-3 going into the game where he got hurt. With a healthy line and running game, with this defense, it's not far fetched for me to think Keenum can be what Alex was. The exception though is INTs. Alex was among the best at avoiding turnovers. But in 2017 Keenum only threw 7. Last year in Denver, he threw 15.

What you get from Keenum in the ball security department will determine everything. We're going to be a team with a small margin for error. We will limit teams on defense, so even an underachieving offense centered around a ground & pound style will still be in the game. The question is can Keenum convert just enough chances into points, or will he turn it over to the other team, and give them a short field for that field goal that makes the difference?

All I know is if you put Haskins in, you end up with 20 INTs and you're dead in the water from the jump. He's not there yet, we see it in the preseason.
Keenum is not Alex Smith.

As for Haskins I wouldn't assume putting him in means a ton of INT's. It's all how they manage him and what they ask from him in the passing game. If the run game and D are solid he could manage the offense just fine.
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Keenum fumbled 11 times last year and lost 5. That's something to be concerned about.
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I doubt Case has a long leash, if the team starts off bad it's time to go to Haskins
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Old 08-22-2019, 09:34 AM   #141
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I don't think the question is whether you can expect a 2017 season from Keenum. That 2017 team had Stefon Diggs and Adam Thielen, the WR weapons were just night/day better than ours (fingers crossed on McLaurin tho).

The question for me is whether Keenum can give you what Alex Smith gave you before getting hurt. Smith was on pace for 3200 yards, 16 TDs, 8 INTs.

And he was 6-3 going into the game where he got hurt. With a healthy line and running game, with this defense, it's not far fetched for me to think Keenum can be what Alex was. The exception though is INTs. Alex was among the best at avoiding turnovers. But in 2017 Keenum only threw 7. Last year in Denver, he threw 15.

What you get from Keenum in the ball security department will determine everything. We're going to be a team with a small margin for error. We will limit teams on defense, so even an underachieving offense centered around a ground & pound style will still be in the game. The question is can Keenum convert just enough chances into points, or will he turn it over to the other team, and give them a short field for that field goal that makes the difference?

All I know is if you put Haskins in, you end up with 20 INTs and you're dead in the water from the jump. He's not there yet, we see it in the preseason.
Great points. I think we will get half of Alex Smith from Keenum - it looks like Keenum will be able to protect ball better when Oline protects him. Keenum is aggressive, compared to Alex so we are likely to see more turnovers AND we are likely to see more big plays than we saw from Alex simply because Keenum is more aggressive. I saw few Broncos games last year and I noticed Keenum have lot of trust in WRs, he sometimes would throw ball to covered WR. This worked well in Minn because of Thielen and Diggs - both WRs are good and they can fight for the ball. Broncos' WRs beside Sanders aren't good. Redskins WRs are worse than Broncos at this point until they show that they can be friendly target for QB. Although we do have good TEs, compared to Broncos and that can work in our favor, assuming Reed stays healthy for most of the season and Davis doesn't regress throughout the season.

Even with bad WRs, I have a feeling that Keenum will play better than last year but he won't best his career year in Minn with Redskins. One thing we need to credit Gruden for, he works well with QBs and I believe this bodes well for Keenum. I expect to see Keenum making some mistakes in beginning of the season. If, and that is BIG if, Keenum isn't benched in favor of Haskins later in middle of season then I honestly can see Keenum getting better as the season progress. That is unless our WRs flop big time.
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Keenum is not Alex Smith.

As for Haskins I wouldn't assume putting him in means a ton of INT's. It's all how they manage him and what they ask from him in the passing game. If the run game and D are solid he could manage the offense just fine.
I think he's just not going to see some things out there. He's going to think he's looking at a Tampa 2 that suddenly morphs into a Cover 3. I think he's also going to be surprised by the speed of LBs and their ability to run and cover - Jaylon Smith and Vander Esch come to mind. I think he's going to throw his fair share of rookie INTs in key situations, even if he's well managed within the offense. Just flat brain fart moments, I think they'll happen. He's just raw.

Your point on fumbles is important though. Alex was good at securing it when he got caught in the pocket. Whoever plays at QB will need to do the same. Cousins killed us in that regard and it's a very underrated element of QB play.
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I think he's just not going to see some things out there. He's going to think he's looking at a Tampa 2 that suddenly morphs into a Cover 3. I think he's also going to be surprised by the speed of LBs and their ability to run and cover - Jaylon Smith and Vander Esch come to mind. I think he's going to throw his fair share of rookie INTs in key situations, even if he's well managed within the offense. Just flat brain fart moments, I think they'll happen. He's just raw.

Your point on fumbles is important though. Alex was good at securing it when he got caught in the pocket. Whoever plays at QB will need to do the same. Cousins killed us in that regard and it's a very underrated element of QB play.
True but that's all stuff a rookie QB needs to go through in order to learn and develop. I'd like to see him get at least 8 starts this year. This idea that some have of him sitting all year is absurd. The only way I'd be ok with him sitting all year is if Case is playing lights out and we're in a playoff hunt.
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The defense still has a lot of young/raw talent and it will take time to push a top 5 unit. I also question our coordinator so we will see but hey man they have all the potential in the world. If we were a D first ball control team I think we'd fair well. The way the game is changing and evolving including rules and how games are called, the blatant screw job we seem to get 2-3 times a year ,tho, makes that difficult at the least
How many starters would you label raw?

Sweat and SDH?

If GreGG was DC with the guys up front, I think we would have a lot more confidence.

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