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Old 06-05-2020, 12:02 PM   #2191
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How much you want to bet the media and so call experts now will try to transition people back inside for a lockdown?
NYC had no reported deaths from the virus yesterday and with businesses opening back up obviously we're in the clear.
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Old 06-05-2020, 12:10 PM   #2192
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I think that I am a Democrat but honestly at times it seems that I am more independent now than anything else.

I have been candid on here about believing in things that other fellow democrats do not, while at the same time agreeing on Republican talking points.
Solid ó if you think democrats want a bad economy just because it will hurt trump .... I think youíre conflating the 10% extreme left as being all Democrats. Thatís like me saying all republicans are white nationalists. Thereís a small percent that are but they are the small minority and I donít view the Republican Party as white nationalists.

Yeah itís easy to disagree with a group if you generalize the entire group to their most extreme members.

I strongly disagree with the AOCs and the extreme left. Iím a Democrat. Most Americans are moderate centrists but there is not a party that represents us.

Just my opinion ...
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Old 06-05-2020, 01:04 PM   #2193
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Lol...so fucking rich.....Iíve heard someone else say that one....lol
heck of a retort chico , what's next call me a name ,yell "fake news" ?
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Old 06-05-2020, 01:10 PM   #2194
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You're right. You should be in charge. So what is the first thing you would do if you became president right now to end the rioting and bring everything under control?

I'm tired of seeing the Trump hate no matter what. I am probably the only Democrat you know that will tell you that I don't believe Donald Trump is the reason for every single problem befalling America right now.

The May unemployment numbers were far better than what the "experts" predicted. Once again, "experts" are completely wrong, just like they were about Coronavirus and every other thing that they have ever predicted, but yet we trust them.

Under normal circumstances we would be allowed to be happy about that, as it is a sign that the U.S. Economy is getting under control again and now the rebuilding has began. Probably by the end of the month unemployment numbers will be around 6 or 7%, possibly lower, a far cry from the 24.4% it was in just a few months ago. Normally we would be happy. Nope, if Trump talks about that, it's bad! We have to wish for death to the US Economy so that people can blame it on Trump!
The virus - not his fault. Floyd getting murdered by cops - not his fault. The economy nosediving because we had to shut down due to the virus - not his fault. Grading him on his response to all of these things though is fair game.

Gotta question your numbers a bit here too, unemployment peaked in April at 14.70%
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Old 06-05-2020, 01:12 PM   #2195
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We trust experts because it is their job not their hobby like a politician. I love how you say the "experts" are "incorrect" about the coronavirus when we are literally learning about this on the fly. Real world scenarios are difficult to model and predict precisely because there are too many variables to control and predict their interactions. This is precisely why we use null hypotheses in order to validate correlations. If you are looking for absolutes in science you are not going to get it (there are even times when carbon has more than four bonds). The only absolutes are natural laws and that is not something that is used lightly.

In terms of weather forecasting a 7 day forecast accurately predicts the weather 80% of the time and a 5 day forecast accurately predicts the weather 90% of the time that is pretty damn good If those were batting averages they aren't even possible.
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Old 06-05-2020, 01:48 PM   #2196
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How much you want to bet the media and so call experts now will try to transition people back inside for a lockdown?




Nails it:

Suddenly, Public Health Officials Say Social Justice Matters More Than Social Distance


1,300 public health experts signed a letter supporting George Floyd protests
https://www.politico.com/news/magazi...rotests-301534while simultaneously condemning the anti-lockdown ones, raising questions about the impartiality of the messaging the public is getting from such experts on large gatherings.


The health narrative changes as the politics of protests do...fuckin hacks, all of them
Fake news"!......is that how it's done chico?
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Old 06-05-2020, 07:09 PM   #2197
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People and journalists are actually mad at great news. Unbelievable
chico , ya mad?


https://www.yahoo.com/news/trumps-ch...161935808.html

Trump's chief of staff of 2 years says he agrees that Trump is bad for the country


John Kelly, President Donald Trump's longest-serving chief of staff and a retired Marine Corps general, said on Friday that he agreed with former Secretary of Defense James Mattis' assessment that Trump was harming the US.

In an interview with Anthony Scaramucci, the White House communications director whom Kelly promptly ousted in 2017 upon his promotion to chief of staff, Kelly said that Mattis was right to raise the alarm about Trump sending in active-duty troops to quash protests.

"The idea that you would unleash American active-duty folks, unless it's an extremist situation ... these are civilian responsibilities," Kelly said, "and we should be very, very careful before we contemplate sending in active-duty military."

Kelly also alluded to deficiencies in Trump's character. "I think we need to look harder at who we elect," Kelly said, adding, "I think we should look at people that are running for office and put them through the filter: What is their character like? What are their ethics?"
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Old 06-06-2020, 03:03 PM   #2199
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https://twitter.com/DrewHolden360/st...96737014951938

Great twitter thread of the perpetual hypocrisy of Vox and the Covid threat...protest for me and not thee

Brain of a retard if you donít see it.

Also strange no mention of the 15 people who have died during the protest and specifically 10 directly to rioting by the mainstream media.

Folks, 15 deaths isnít peaceful...but you know that
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Old 06-06-2020, 04:14 PM   #2200
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I'm just very confused. So were are supposed to be social distancing. This has been hammered into our fucking heads by the media. Some people in my condo building don't want to ride with anyone else. They are playing baseball and soccer games in Korea and Europe and there are no fans. NBA will have no fans. Everyone is acting like panic stricken freaks. But all across the world, people are packed in like sardines protesting? How do you explain this bullshit?

I'm a stones throw from DC. Sometimes I get fish at the market on Main Street. The mayor closed that shit down cause people were too close to one another, yet tens of thousands are marching and she doesn't care?

Someone who's smarter than me explain this nonsense.
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Old 06-07-2020, 11:12 AM   #2201
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I'm just very confused. So were are supposed to be social distancing. This has been hammered into our fucking heads by the media. Some people in my condo building don't want to ride with anyone else. They are playing baseball and soccer games in Korea and Europe and there are no fans. NBA will have no fans. Everyone is acting like panic stricken freaks. But all across the world, people are packed in like sardines protesting? How do you explain this bullshit?

I'm a stones throw from DC. Sometimes I get fish at the market on Main Street. The mayor closed that shit down cause people were too close to one another, yet tens of thousands are marching and she doesn't care?

Someone who's smarter than me explain this nonsense.
Sheís liar and a fraud.

Just look where all these police brutality events are happening, Democratic controlled areas with 30, 40, 50 years of trash policies with Overwhelming representation of Minorities and woman in positions of power : mayor, police chiefs, City counsil members, Police union leaders, etc. This is where the blame lies. At some point you have to ask yourself, why and how people keep voting in these folks who canít solve the issues? They poverty pimps who maintain control and money keeping these same groups down.
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sheís liar and a fraud.

Just look where all these police brutality events are happening, democratic controlled areas with 30, 40, 50 years of trash policies with overwhelming representation of minorities and woman in positions of power : Mayor, police chiefs, city counsil members, police union leaders, etc. This is where the blame lies. At some point you have to ask yourself, why and how people keep voting in these folks who canít solve the issues? They poverty pimps who maintain control and money keeping these same groups down.
lol,........................:d
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Old 06-07-2020, 01:21 PM   #2203
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I will take a wild guess that your definition of accurate is different than most people's. Your average Joe does not consider the weatherman to even be accurate 50% of the time. Since you admit your science is not exact why do most "scientists" constantly belittle people who question them?

I am pretty sure the only 80-90% accurate weatherman works in the lower elevation areas of Southern California where the weather rarely makes any measurable changes from day to day. I know how wildly inaccurate the weatherman is here as I am constantly duped into using weather forecasts to plain my work schedule if I am not that busy. I work in an uninsulated shop and my HVAC system in winter is portable heaters and in summer I just use fans.

Since even in a 1,000 square foot shop heating costs up to $5 an hour if I see warmer days forecast a day or so out if I am not busy I take a day off. Even 5-10 degrees warmer makes a big difference in how many heaters I have to fire up. Cold weather seems to last longer than predicted in winter 90% of the time.
That is what you have been doing this entire time so why stop now?

First of it is not [B]my[B]science but just science

You are probably right the average joe's perception of meteorologists does not match reality. There are thousands of peer reviewed studies that show are perceptions of the world both naturally and societal do not match reality. Look them up or if you prefer I will gather them for you.

I am using the textbook definition of accuracy in meteorology which is +/- 3 degrees Fahrenheit.

Based on how accurate you require weather conditions for proper mechanical function I can see why you have frustration when reports are off.

In regards to precipitation when you see 70% chance of precipitation that doesn't mean you will get rain rather 7 out of every 10 days with the exact same conditions will produce precipitation.

Mountains do add a degree of challenge due to micro-climates and other variables that are difficult to account for.

Based on your residence and the two major cities near your home here are the accuracy of different meteorology outlets for Richmond and Charlottesville

https://www.forecastadvisor.com/deta...ichmond/23250/

https://www.forecastadvisor.com/deta...esville/22903/

and Ashland

https://www.forecastadvisor.com/deta...cksburg/22401/

Those forecasts are a bit below the 90% threshold but well above the 50% threshold with the exception of Persistence. I could not find any data from your local meteorologists but they tend to be very reliable more than the national meteorologists because they have a better understand of a regions micro climates.

In terms of your accusation of scientists belittling people that question them. I have no clue what you are talking about. I also am not sure by what you mean when you type "scientists" Science is based on skepticism. If you have ever been in a peer review it is down right brutal the questioning that occurs. My guess is that the "scientist" you are speaking of keeps providing the data and the person questioning them does not have any scientific data just anecdotes or beliefs. I see that a lot when representatives and senators question scientists.
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Sheís liar and a fraud.

Just look where all these police brutality events are happening, Democratic controlled areas with 30, 40, 50 years of trash policies with Overwhelming representation of Minorities and woman in positions of power : mayor, police chiefs, City counsil members, Police union leaders, etc. This is where the blame lies. At some point you have to ask yourself, why and how people keep voting in these folks who canít solve the issues? They poverty pimps who maintain control and money keeping these same groups down.
To an extent I agree but I think that communities do need to invest in themselves and not wait for city hall to fix their problems.
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Old 06-07-2020, 09:54 PM   #2205
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Went to a protest today, definitely eye opening for a middle age white dude. A lot of struggles in the country I was blind too or it was just a headline on a web site.
The protest I attended was very peaceful and was focused on change. Change in the polls and change in the black community.

I encourage everyone to attend a protest.
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