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Old 03-25-2019, 02:34 PM   #1
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New 4th and 15 rule..................

What do you guys think of it? I'm not for it .


"The new rule would give teams the option to not kick off after scoring in the fourth quarter. They are then put into a 4th and 15 situation on their own 35-yard line. If the team converts, they keep the ball. According to Mara, the competition committee likes the idea"


............Mara is the only one that voted against it.
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Old 03-25-2019, 02:38 PM   #2
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Re: New 4th and 15 rule..................

LMAO Sorry but this is some backyard football XFL shit. No way
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Old 03-25-2019, 02:41 PM   #3
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Re: New 4th and 15 rule..................

Since onside kicks are basically unobtainable with the new rule, I like it. Just have to realize that kickoffs are on their way out.
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Old 03-25-2019, 02:52 PM   #4
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Re: New 4th and 15 rule..................

why not? of course Mara is an idiot
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Old 03-25-2019, 02:55 PM   #5
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Re: New 4th and 15 rule..................

What percentage of 4 and 15 are converted compared to recovering an onside kick?
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Old 03-25-2019, 02:57 PM   #6
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LMAO Sorry but this is some backyard football XFL shit. No way
Agreed. Arcade video game stuff shouldn't belong in this sport at this level.

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Old 03-25-2019, 03:04 PM   #7
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Re: New 4th and 15 rule..................

Its intriguing, but I don't like it.

The reason this change is being proposed is because other rule changes have made on-side kicks even more unlikely to succeed than they were previously.

But this proposed change takes, what was a special teams play, and gives it to the offense. Fundamentally, i don't like that, and i think teams would do this with success much more frequently. As a result, what has always been historically been a last-ditch, "hail mary" type-play to give the losing team a glimmer of hope now becomes something that is fairly easily attainable. It's giving the losing team a significant advantage compared to what they've had historically.

And why do we want to do that, other than to add "unearned" drama into a game? If a team wants to win a game, they should play better during the first 56 minutes of regulation. The league shouldn't give them a boost to help them win games when their play for 56 minutes shows they don't deserve it.
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Old 03-25-2019, 03:09 PM   #8
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Re: New 4th and 15 rule..................

Well they have to do something because the current rules have essentially phased out the onsides kick.

And oh yeah Mara is a dick


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Old 03-25-2019, 03:14 PM   #9
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Re: New 4th and 15 rule..................

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Its intriguing, but I don't like it.

The reason this change is being proposed is because other rule changes have made on-side kicks even more unlikely to succeed than they were previously.

But this proposed change takes, what was a special teams play, and gives it to the offense. Fundamentally, i don't like that, and i think teams would do this with success much more frequently. As a result, what has always been historically been a last-ditch, "hail mary" type-play to give the losing team a glimmer of hope now becomes something that is fairly easily attainable. It's giving the losing team a significant advantage compared to what they've had historically.

And why do we want to do that, other than to add "unearned" drama into a game? If a team wants to win a game, they should play better during the first 56 minutes of regulation. The league shouldn't give them a boost to help them win games when their play for 56 minutes shows they don't deserve it.
Agreed, plus trying to help come backs doesn't add drama, it takes some away IMO.
The drama comes from the idea that a team will manage to do something highly unlikely, not that they'll manage something that we're trying to put them in position to be able to do...
Okay, I know, a 4th and 15 is not a gimme, but this sport and its rules are a beauty, they make sense, as a whole. After a score, the ball is put back in play by a kickoff. Like in so many other sports.
Giving the ball back to the offense that just scored makes no sense at all.
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Old 03-25-2019, 03:27 PM   #10
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Re: New 4th and 15 rule..................

I'm all for some sort of new format but pumping more OFFENSE into the game isn't what we need.

The current Onside Kick is all but phased-out. I'm just hoping they replace the special teams play with a new special teams play...
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Old 03-25-2019, 03:34 PM   #11
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Re: New 4th and 15 rule..................

I love this rule. They have made onside kicks impossible to recover. Put the offense back out on the field and add more drama to the game.
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Old 03-25-2019, 04:01 PM   #12
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Re: New 4th and 15 rule..................

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LMAO Sorry but this is some backyard football XFL shit. No way
lol ,i'm in total agreement ..let me hit the pause button.
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Old 03-25-2019, 05:03 PM   #13
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Re: New 4th and 15 rule..................

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I love this rule. They have made onside kicks impossible to recover. Put the offense back out on the field and add more drama to the game.
No they haven't ,harder yeah but that's where the coach's earn their money ,so I guess there will be no more special teams play .
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Old 03-25-2019, 05:10 PM   #14
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Re: New 4th and 15 rule..................

I guess we will see more Chris Thompson screen.
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Old 03-25-2019, 05:33 PM   #15
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Re: New 4th and 15 rule..................

First things first, fuck John Mara.

I like the concept, as everybody knows the onside kick is now basically useless. And I agree with everyone else they shouldn't put the ball back in the offense's hands for another play.

So they need to create a new special teams play. But the conflict lies in the fact they are trying to eliminate kickoffs as that is one of the more dangerous parts of the game. So what special teams play can be created that doesn't resemble a kickoff? Idk the answer to that one.
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