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Old 02-15-2018, 10:06 AM   #16
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Re: Is Allen Justified If No One Overpays for Cousins

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Writers donít pay QBs so ultimately who cares what articles say.
Some writers speculate others can end up being tools for a team or agent.

So what happens if these writers are being used to change fans views before free agency.

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Old 02-15-2018, 10:53 AM   #17
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Re: Is Allen Justified If No One Overpays for Cousins

Was Osweiler worth it? The market speaks for itself. Never seen any article that decided a qb's worth to any team.
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Old 02-15-2018, 10:53 AM   #18
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Some writers speculate others can end up being tools for a team or agent.

So what happens if these writers are being used to change fans views before free agency.

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That's often what happens. It's naive to think the media isn't used to sway opinions. I mean, it's used in the political realm, why would it not be used in sports?
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Old 02-15-2018, 10:57 AM   #19
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Sorry Kirk, we canít go above $20m per year, didnít you see that NFL.com article??
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Sorry Kirk, we canít go above $20m per year, didnít you see that NFL.com article??
You don't think his agent wouldn't pull out articles or demand from other cities to try and leverage up an offer?

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Old 02-15-2018, 11:07 AM   #21
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You don't think his agent wouldn't pull out articles or demand from other cities to try and leverage up an offer?

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You really think both sides are comparing online articles in contract negotiations??
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Old 02-15-2018, 11:28 AM   #22
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Re: Is Allen Justified If No One Overpays for Cousins

If this is a KC thread, lets close it and let the final KC thread be the FINAL KC THREAD.

But I think the OP has a valid discussion of our FO and their concluding the saga even though it does have a bit of dead horsemeat around it as well.

I want to give the FO good props for the last 2 years in most all areas not QB related, and I think they get a pass on KC because, like it or not, he at some point decided he was not going to hold serious negotiations. The FO bears a lot of that blame, but once KC set his mind to his path, I think the FO had to make new plans. I think we take Calais Campbell IF the FO knew without a doubt that KC was onboard, but KC's intransigence made the FO hold back on any splash, in case KC negotiations got close and they needed that extra bit to push it over the edge. (That's all speculation though)

This year KC said in his interview that he wouldn't do a thing until after March, and the FO wisely walked away. That was the right move as soon as KC said he would wait.

FO gets a B+ from me for the overall KC drama. My breakdown of the full hindsight case is this:
First quarter: D- Snyder held on to RG3 took tightly this quarter
2nd quarter: C+ they should have made a better pitch for a long term deal, but did anybody REALLY feel KC was a no questions asked guy after his first full year?
Third quarter: D-, the second tag should have been non exclusive, and then KC maybe would have felt he got his chance to see where his value on the market would have been AND we may have gotten better compensation if KC left
4th quarter:A+ closed it off with a bang. Once the FO knew that no deal was there, they didn't play footsies with the scorned lover, they took the bitter pill, and we will have a better team for it.
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Old 02-15-2018, 11:31 AM   #23
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You really think both sides are comparing online articles in contract negotiations??
I have no doubt the court of public opinion is used in negotiations. Having been in negotiations I have seen it used in arguments. Public perception is important when you desire having a paying public on your side.

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Old 02-15-2018, 11:36 AM   #24
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Re: Is Allen Justified If No One Overpays for Cousins

Dan, did you not notice the thread entitled The LAST Kirk Cousins Saga Thread?
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Old 02-15-2018, 11:42 AM   #25
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If this is a KC thread, lets close it and let the final KC thread be the FINAL KC THREAD.

But I think the OP has a valid discussion of our FO and their concluding the saga even though it does have a bit of dead horsemeat around it as well.

I want to give the FO good props for the last 2 years in most all areas not QB related, and I think they get a pass on KC because, like it or not, he at some point decided he was not going to hold serious negotiations. The FO bears a lot of that blame, but once KC set his mind to his path, I think the FO had to make new plans. I think we take Calais Campbell IF the FO knew without a doubt that KC was onboard, but KC's intransigence made the FO hold back on any splash, in case KC negotiations got close and they needed that extra bit to push it over the edge. (That's all speculation though)

This year KC said in his interview that he wouldn't do a thing until after March, and the FO wisely walked away. That was the right move as soon as KC said he would wait.

FO gets a B+ from me for the overall KC drama. My breakdown of the full hindsight case is this:
First quarter: D- Snyder held on to RG3 took tightly this quarter
2nd quarter: C+ they should have made a better pitch for a long term deal, but did anybody REALLY feel KC was a no questions asked guy after his first full year?
Third quarter: D-, the second tag should have been non exclusive, and then KC maybe would have felt he got his chance to see where his value on the market would have been AND we may have gotten better compensation if KC left
4th quarter:A+ closed it off with a bang. Once the FO knew that no deal was there, they didn't play footsies with the scorned lover, they took the bitter pill, and we will have a better team for it.
I look at RGIII and guys like him an Manzel and this these guy put up on too much of a pedestal and it ruins them for the game. Thinking that they are more important or bigger than the team. And I can't help but wonder if the same thing didn't end up happening to Cousins.

I think back to Haynesworth he though too much of himself to adapt to a new scheme ( mind you I hated going for 4 3 to 3 4)

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Old 02-15-2018, 11:53 AM   #26
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Dan, did you not notice the thread entitled The LAST Kirk Cousins Saga Thread?
Delete this thread if you want.

This was meant to be more about the perception of the FO depending how it plays out. If he does not get the money he is hoping do people say maybe FO was right. Or if does get paid and it hurts the other team and they end up worse than the Skins do people say smart move by the Skins.

One of the things I always hated as a Skins fan was hearing Deon Sanders talk about how Dan Snyder built an addition on his place with the money he got.

I can't pull for a guy all about the money. I like seeing guys get paid who are good and team first players.

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Old 02-15-2018, 12:15 PM   #27
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It won't change my perception of the FO if Smith works out. Smithers painted himself into a corner with the poor decisions he made years ago concerning Cousins's contract. This season, tagging Cousins would have been crippling to roster building, so something had to be done. So the Skins gave up a top-notch DB and a third round pick for the right to pay Alex Smith huge money. This was a cluster **** from start to finish.

But we already discussed all of this ad infinitum before you joined and started this vanity thread.
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Old 02-15-2018, 01:02 PM   #28
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Re: Is Allen Justified If No One Overpays for Cousins

To me, this is moreso a front office thread than a KC thread.

If the FO does well in free agency and the draft, I'll give them an A for the whole Kirk thing. Kirk won't win a Super Bowl anywhere, and they wanted to see more progress before giving him the world. Gruden and Scott M both seem to agree that he isn't worth what he wants as well.

We sign Zach Brown and a starting WR, then get a starting RB and some more beef for the DL in the 1st 2 rounds of draft, and then some more OL and secondary depth the rest of the draft, we'll be gucci.
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Old 02-15-2018, 01:14 PM   #29
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To me, this is moreso a front office thread than a KC thread.

If the FO does well in free agency and the draft, I'll give them an A for the whole Kirk thing. Kirk won't win a Super Bowl anywhere, and they wanted to see more progress before giving him the world. Gruden and Scott M both seem to agree that he isn't worth what he wants as well.

We sign Zach Brown and a starting WR, then get a starting RB and some more beef for the DL in the 1st 2 rounds of draft, and then some more OL and secondary depth the rest of the draft, we'll be gucci.
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Brown I would like to see back but if they feel they can upgrade over him with their first or send pick then that is ok. But they better address NT ILB RB and WR with either 2 in FA and 2 in the high end of the draft to get me more on board to be excited about the season.

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Brown I would like to see back but if they feel they can upgrade over him with their first or send pick then that is ok. But they better address NT ILB RB and WR with either 2 in FA and 2 in the high end of the draft to get me more on board to be excited about the season.

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Zach Brown and Mason Foster would be solid MLB starters but I wouldn't be mad at Roquan Smith or T. Edmunds flying around in a Skins uni. Brown and either of those 2 would be a great starting MLB group. Either way, I want Brown back. Don't think Mason is making so much that we can't keep him as a great backup to both spots.

I want a veteran receiver in FA as we need someone ready to produce asap. Rookie WRs struggle a bit adjusting.
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