Bruce Allen FINALLY speaks....at the Senior Bowl

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

In all fairness:

- RG3 had a fantastic rookie year and could have built on the success if not for
(1) Snyder's meddling
(2) Shanahan's stubbornness
(3) RG3's own ego
- Kirk Cousins was a fantastic pick in the 4th round
- Alex Smith was at least competent before his freak injury

Now, i'm not saying I want Bruce to pick a QB. I absolutely don't. Ideally, I want Jay and Bruce both fired after 2019 and to let our new GM/HC make a pick in 2020. I'm just trying to be fair. Under Bruce, our last few major QB acquisitions have been pretty good .... its just that the team's dysfunction (much of which BA is responsible for) and/or bad luck have ruined our chances of making the most of those QBs.

people still defending RG3 as a good QB....the bottomline, the trade and pick which Bruce is the decision maker was one of the top all time bust. The trade itself was a top retard move...set the franchise back move. RG3 never did shit after the gimmick offense was uninstalled...give Shanny and son credit, the scheme was good for a year. RG3 is and always will be a terrible bust.

Defend the McNabb Trade and Contract next?

The handling of Cousins was god awful. Could have signed him to a cheap deal.... refused. Instead of trading him when value was max...let him walk with an end of the round 3rd round pick. Basically a 4th round pick folks.


Never drafting a competent young QB to learn under Cousins while you never intended to seriously sign.

The 3rd god aweful trade, this time for an Alex Smith who was coming off career best year...while also having the top NFL rushing attack with K Hunt. NOT ONLY trading for him, but quickly signing him for a long term deal...INSTEAD of waiting to see how he performed in Jays system. Which the apologist now conveniently claim...this wasn't his fault, it just wasn't a fit. BULLSHIT.

Bruce Allen has a history of fucking up the QB position period.

[Meks]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

In all fairness:

- RG3 had a fantastic rookie year and could have built on the success if not for
(1) Snyder's meddling
(2) Shanahan's stubbornness
(3) RG3's own ego
- Kirk Cousins was a fantastic pick in the 4th round
- Alex Smith was at least competent before his freak injury

Now, i'm not saying I want Bruce to pick a QB. I absolutely don't. Ideally, I want Jay and Bruce both fired after 2019 and to let our new GM/HC make a pick in 2020. I'm just trying to be fair. Under Bruce, our last few major QB acquisitions have been pretty good .... its just that the team's dysfunction (much of which BA is responsible for) and/or bad luck have ruined our chances of making the most of those QBs.

1)RG3 had success from the system. The lethal read option and a literal 2 read passing game. Designed by the Shanny's. Once he couldn't really run the same he was just mediocre.
2)Cousins was Shanny's pick.
3) Alex was competent, yes.

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[skinsfaninok]

Its a lame duck staff, he is right but he also talks to much for being an AVG player

[skinsfaninok]

The RG3 trade was bad but in all fairness the Rams really didn't get much better with the picks they had. It was a lose/lose situation. He was still the most electrifying player we have had since Sean died. The Redskins were must see TV and I'll never forget his rookie year and how fun it was until the ravens game.

[Meks]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

The RG3 trade was bad but in all fairness the Rams really didn't get much better with the picks they had. It was a lose/lose situation. He was still the most electrifying player we have had since Sean died. The Redskins were must see TV and I'll never forget his rookie year and how fun it was until the ravens game.

the offense was amazing that year. I have a photo of NFL Live one day and the rankings were:

Yards per play: 1st
Rush YPG: 1st
Yds/pass att: 1st
Turnovers: T-2nd
INT Rate: 2nd

this was midway through the season - we still needed to win 5 or 6 straight (i think) to take the division and playoffs tho sadly

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by Meks

the offense was amazing that year. I have a photo of NFL Live one day and the rankings were:

Yards per play: 1st
Rush YPG: 1st
Yds/pass att: 1st
Turnovers: T-2nd
INT Rate: 2nd

this was midway through the season - we still needed to win 5 or 6 straight (i think) to take the division and playoffs tho sadly

Our D was trash that yr and oddly enough hasn't changed since...

[skinsfaninok]

https://thefandc.radio.com/articles/...-hope-redskins

"I don't know how you stay engaged," ProFootballTalk's Mike Florio told The Sports Junkies Thursday. "Every year as a fan you look for hope. And every year you want to think that if things go your way you can make it to the playoffs and maybe get lucky and win a couple of playoff games, maybe get to the Super Bowl."

"It's just unfortunate that there isn't that same sense in Washington that there is in other cities," Florio said.

[skinsfan69]

Yeah 2012 was good but what we were doing was not sustainable. Even when we clinched against Dallas RG3 had like 100 yards passing. You don't win in the NFL doing that. And when Cousins played in Clev and Kyle ran a pro offense that day, that is really where it all went downhill.

I look at the Ravens and the same thing is going to happen to them. Jackson is going to get hurt, he'll never graduate to an NFL passer and it will flame out.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Yeah 2012 was good but what we were doing was not sustainable. Even when we clinched against Dallas RG3 had like 100 yards passing. You don't win in the NFL doing that. And when Cousins played in Clev and Kyle ran a pro offense that day, that is really where it all went downhill.

I look at the Ravens and the same thing is going to happen to them. Jackson is going to get hurt, he'll never graduate to an NFL passer and it will flame out.

for sure, you have to be able to make the throws from the pocket in the NFL and Griff / Lamar cant do it

[MTK]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Yeah 2012 was good but what we were doing was not sustainable. Even when we clinched against Dallas RG3 had like 100 yards passing. You don't win in the NFL doing that. And when Cousins played in Clev and Kyle ran a pro offense that day, that is really where it all went downhill.

I look at the Ravens and the same thing is going to happen to them. Jackson is going to get hurt, he'll never graduate to an NFL passer and it will flame out.

He was also on one knee at that point and the run threat was gone.

[MTK]

RGIII could have had a great career if a bunch of other things happened. If he knew how to slide and avoid hits. If he never had that knee injury. If he was coachable. If the owner didn't empower him to the point where he thought he ran the show. There are still elements of that so called gimmick offense all around the league. Mike still says today if they had more time to gradually develop him it could have worked.

[Chico23231]

The only good talent we brought in was Cousins...the guy Shanny and Son wanted. The guy Bruce/Dan hated. The one Bruce refused to signed to a deal at 19 mil per...the one who Bruce never was going to extend long term and refused to trade when we had the chance...the one who actually performed well...check the stats.

McNabb sucked, RG3 sucked, Nate Sudfuck sucked, and

Alex Smith....who played at avg level at best, certainly not worth the trade and certainly not what he was paid. Alex was propped up by a great RB and playmakers...KC got rid of him and woulda gone to the SB if it wasn't for Dee Ford. He wasn't worth a shit to KC. His stats and performance this year was a disappointment. His QBR was terrible

Remember all the trades and wasted money with these guys. We gave up much more than we every got with performance...and that cant be argued.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

The only good talent we brought in was Cousins...the guy Shanny and Son wanted. The guy Bruce/Dan hated. The one Bruce refused to signed to a deal at 19 mil per...the one who Bruce never was going to extend long term and refused to trade when we had the chance...the one who actually performed well...check the stats.

McNabb sucked, RG3 sucked, Nate Sudfuck sucked, and

Alex Smith....who played at avg level at best, certainly not worth the trade and certainly not what he was paid. Alex was propped up by a great RB and playmakers...KC got rid of him and woulda gone to the SB if it wasn't for Dee Ford. He wasn't worth a shit to KC. His stats and performance this year was a disappointment. His QBR was terrible

Remember all the trades and wasted money with these guys. We gave up much more than we every got with performance...and that cant be argued.

Historically the Redskins are not good at QB Talent Evaluations, Rypien was ok and Joe T was good but other than that Kirk Cousins was on pace to being the greatest Redskins QB ever lol.

Browns
Bears
Jets (besides Namath)
Redskins

That's about as bad as it gets with QB's historically.

[sandtrapjack]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Historically the Redskins are not good at QB Talent Evaluations, Rypien was ok and Joe T was good but other than that Kirk Cousins was on pace to being the greatest Redskins QB ever lol.

Browns
Bears
Jets (besides Namath)
Redskins

That's about as bad as it gets with QB's historically.

IDK, I always thought Doug Williams was a good QB for the Skins.