Chase Young or Three First Round Picks?

[skinsfanmdc]

Chase Young..

[skinsfanmdc]

"For those in favor of drafting Young... Pre Bosa, Niners 21st on 3rd down; allowed 108.5 passer rating in 4 man rushes. since Bosa: 2nd on 3rd down; 83.0 passer rating in 4 man rush. ...Redskins mirrored the 49ers' decline, can they follow their rise?"
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[NYCskinfan82]

I say take CY. But what if Detroit offer this years 1st and 2nd and their next two 1st round picks and they tell you they are taking CY do you make the trade?

[skinsfanmdc]

Originally Posted by NYCskinfan82

I say take CY. But what if Detroit offer this years 1st and 2nd and their next two 1st round picks and they tell you they are taking CY do you make the trade?

They wanna trade down....

[Warthog]

Originally Posted by NYCskinfan82

I say take CY. But what if Detroit offer this years 1st and 2nd and their next two 1st round picks and they tell you they are taking CY do you make the trade?

In your Detroit scenario you could take Isaiah Simmons , who is an elite LB, with the #3. LB is a position of more need for the ‘skins than Edge and Chase Young. Then in the second round you take either a very good WR or OT who most likely would be a starter. The two first’s for the next two years are interesting but not enough to make the Redskins bite. Why not?

Chase Young has an immediate and huge benefit to the defense right away. Any trade down scenario has to have enough picks THIS SEASON to make a similar benefit to the Redskins. In a realistic Miami trade, let’s say for their #5, #18 and their second rounder, plus a first rounder in 2021; the Redskins could get Isaiah Simmons (LB) or Andrew Thomas (OT) with the #5 both positions where we have a large need AND these guys are elite. Then with the #18 and second rounder you get two good or very good starters, also in positions of need, like CB or FS or LB/OL (depending on how you used the #5).

Like has been said, you might get 3 starters or maybe two with three high picks versus Chase as a superstar or if he’s over-rated than a guy who might be injury-probe or just good versus elite.

BL - the only trade down must give the Redskins high draft picks THIS season:

1. Something like Miami’s #5,#18 and a second (and next year’s first)

2. Miami’s #5, #18 and their #26

3. Some other team’s pretty much EVERYTHING: first, second, third, fourth, fifth and maybe next year’s first. Something like that. You get a cornucopia of picks, combined with our picks gets you (with Kyle Smith’s genius) 4-6 starters , with maybe one or two very good or superstars. Fills all the holes with young, cheap, motivated players.


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[skinsfanmdc]

Originally Posted by Warthog

In your Detroit scenario you could take Isaiah Simmons , who is an elite LB, with the #3. LB is a position of more need for the ‘skins than Edge and Chase Young. Then in the second round you take either a very good WR or OT who most likely would be a starter. The two first’s for the next two years are interesting but not enough to make the Redskins bite. Why not?

Chase Young has an immediate and huge benefit to the defense right away. Any trade down scenario has to have enough picks THIS SEASON to make a similar benefit to the Redskins. In a realistic Miami trade, let’s say for their #5, #18 and their second rounder, plus a first rounder in 2021; the Redskins could get Isaiah Simmons (LB) or Andrew Thomas (OT) with the #5 both positions where we have a large need AND these guys are elite. Then with the #18 and second rounder you get two good or very good starters, also in positions of need, like CB or FS or LB/OL (depending on how you used the #5).

Like has been said, you might get 3 starters or maybe two with three high picks versus Chase as a superstar or if he’s over-rated than a guy who might be injury-probe or just good versus elite.

BL - the only trade down must give the Redskins high draft picks THIS season:

1. Something like Miami’s #5,#18 and a second (and next year’s first)

2. Miami’s #5, #18 and their #26

3. Some other team’s pretty much EVERYTHING: first, second, third, fourth, fifth and maybe next year’s first. Something like that. You get a cornucopia of picks, combined with our picks gets you (with Kyle Smith’s genius) 4-6 starters , with maybe one or two very good or superstars. Fills all the holes with young, cheap, motivated players.


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Young cheap and motivated, the redskins need playmakers.

[Warthog]

Originally Posted by skinsfanmdc

Young cheap and motivated, the redskins need playmakers.

Also, the rookies in a big trade-down would be good and certainly better then what’s there now. A couple of these rookies will be very good and maybe one or two might even be excellent or outstanding (like 2019’s McLaurin and Holcomb). So in the scenario with a Ditka-type trade where you get 5-6 EXTRA draft picks this season, AND if Kyle Smith has another outstanding draft, then you’re filling almost all the holes with quality players AND building depth.

Having real depth is something the Redskins haven’t EVER had in the Snyder era. Having a team with young players means less injuries. Filling holes and getting depth with rookies continues to change this team from old, tired, under-performing and often hurt FA to the exact opposite type of team!

Snyder tried for 2 decades to buy a winning team with FA. Never worked. If RR took a BIG trade-down and we got lots of extra picks and added 4-6 STARTERS, then this would take the pressure off trying to fill holes with FA. By not having to fill so many holes with FA, then you can spend more per FA hired. For instance, we might be able afford a top $$ FA at TE - Henry or Hooper. Wouldn’t it be exciting to be able to buy an expensive and talented burner like Amari Cooper to work alongside McLaurin? Be able to afford Scherff AND Trent Williams?

I’d love to see Chase Young working opposite Sweat, along with Allen, Payne and Ionnidas. That combo might be the best EDGE’s the Redskins have ever seen - maybe even better then Mann and Manley!

But if we were offered a King’s Ransom, it could change the team quickly and thoroughly , THIS SEASON. If it’s good enough, the team has to consider it, no matter how much we want Chase Young.


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[Meks]

Originally Posted by Warthog

Also, the rookies in a big trade-down would be good and certainly better then what’s there now. A couple of these rookies will be very good and maybe one or two might even be excellent or outstanding (like 2019’s McLaurin and Dunbar). So in the scenario with a Ditka-type trade where you get 5-6 EXTRA draft picks this season AND if Kyle Smith has another outstanding draft, then you’re filling almost all the holes with quality players AND building depth.

Having real depth is something the Redskins haven’t EVER had in the Snyder era. Having a team with young players means less injuries. Filling holes and getting depth with rookies continues to change this team from old, tired, under-performing and often hurt FA to the exact opposite type of team!

Snyder tried for 2 decades to buy a winning team with FA. Never worked. If RR took a BIG trade-down and we got lots of extra picks and added 4-6 STARTERS, then this would take the pressure off trying to fill holes with FA. By not having to fill so many holes with FA, then you can spend more per FA hired. For instance, we might be able afford a top $$ FA at TE - Henry or Hooper. Wouldn’t it be exciting to be able to buy an expensive and talented burner like Amari Cooper to work alongside McLaurin? Be able to afford Scherff AND Trent Williams?

I’d love to see Chase Young working opposite Sweat, along with Allen, Payne and Ionnidas. That combo might be the best EDGE’s the Redskins have ever seen - maybe even better then Mann and Manley!

But if we were offered a King’s Ransom, it could change the team quickly and thoroughly , THIS SEASON. If it’s good enough, the team has to consider it, no matter how much we want Chase Young.


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I had to stop there cuz bolding shit on the phone is a pain .... Dunbar wasnt a rookie this year lol, we are very likely NOT to get 5-6 extra picks this year for our #2 ... And younger doesn't mean less injured, see: guice, reed and well ... All the other history throughout the league ..

Agree we are not going to build a winner via FA, 20 near years of that never worked...


W.ever happens happens. But the fact is no one can know until it does. See my above post and ask yourself, does Denver still win that super bowl if they take the "Kings ransom" ?

Food for thought.

[Meks]

Between the core group of true football players who are already motivated, and the new coaching staff, I don't think anyone that comes here isn't going to drink the Kool aid, let's wait and see what's offered but it is indeed a tough call. ..

Look at a similar situation in the 2011 draft, where von Miller went #2 overall .... That first round was ripe with studs and duds littered all over... Our own Ryan kerrigan was #16 ... J.J. Watt was chosen, Nate Solder, AJ Green etc... So the question is ... Now obviously Miller isn't young and vice versa, and no one can tell the future, but if Denver was offered the same trade options we are talking about, do they still win the SB without that years SB MVP and taking 2 or 3 of the other players listed?

It's kinda like the games in general, that's why they play them.

[SkinzWin]

No other potential draft pick has a nickname even close to “The Predator”. Case closed.

[Meks]

Originally Posted by SkinzWin

No other potential draft pick has a nickname even close to “The Predator”. Case closed.

It's my favorite movie of all time.. I'm of course in on this dude being a Redskin for life lol

[AnonEmouse]

I think if you have to look at the Walker and Williams mega trades and realise that a GM who tried that now would be out of the door pretty soon. Neither player was a bust, but in comparison the picks given up to get them largely benefited the teams that got them far more than losing those 2 players. Realistically you'd have to be pretty daft to even propose a trade like that in the modern NFL.

Besides, after last year its pretty clear that the Dolphins management don't have any issue with giving up players for picks if they feel the balance is in their favour. I just can't see them reversing course 100% like that knowing that they will almost certainly get the QB they want at #5 anyway. Detroit might go for Tua, and have spent weeks bluffing that Stafford is their man, but I just don't see it. And the Giants are not moving on from Danny Dimes after 1 season.

[Meks]

Originally Posted by AnonEmouse

I think if you have to look at the Walker and Williams mega trades and realise that a GM who tried that now would be out of the door pretty soon. Neither player was a bust, but in comparison the picks given up to get them largely benefited the teams that got them far more than losing those 2 players. Realistically you'd have to be pretty daft to even propose a trade like that in the modern NFL.

Besides, after last year its pretty clear that the Dolphins management don't have any issue with giving up players for picks if they feel the balance is in their favour. I just can't see them reversing course 100% like that knowing that they will almost certainly get the QB they want at #5 anyway. Detroit might go for Tua, and have spent weeks bluffing that Stafford is their man, but I just don't see it. And the Giants are not moving on from Danny Dimes after 1 season.

Those points are all fine and well but it's not just Miami that will threaten swooping in here and that's something they will have to consider as well. And you know damn well the Redskins will do their best to make it seem like there is a SHIT TON of interest in that #2 spot. And there rightfully might be. I would even keep an eye on New England trying to fleece us like they do everyone. But there are plenty of teams that most likely covet the QB that Miami wants, or at least the draft position in which he's likely to go.... so it's not just a done deal at #5

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by AnonEmouse

Detroit might go for Tua, and have spent weeks bluffing that Stafford is their man, but I just don't see it.

I have to disagree with you about Detroit's true intentions. I think that Stafford has been declining and that he is now prone to more injuries as he ages in football years. It would not surprise me one little bit if Detroit selected Tua. He could play behind Stafford for a short while and fully recover before he takes over as the starter. They may never again have an opportunity to draft a QB of Tua's caliber.

[AnonEmouse]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

I have to disagree with you about Detroit's true intentions. I think that Stafford has been declining and that he is now prone to more injuries as he ages in football years. It would not surprise me one little bit if Detroit selected Tua. He could play behind Stafford for a short while and fully recover before he takes over as the starter. They may never again have an opportunity to draft a QB of Tua's caliber.

Potential calibre. Depends how he comes off the injury.

If Detroit come in with an offer then you know they might be after him, in which case if the Dolphins don't come knocking I'd be tempted as long as it was a swap of 1st+. I wouldn't be interested otherwise as that clearly opens up the Giants to take Young.

Also makes me think the Dolphins probably regret winning those games now.