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Old 11-08-2019, 04:03 PM   #136
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What is Trent's cap number this year?
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Old 11-08-2019, 05:00 PM   #137
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Looks like we're going for the nuclear option. Bruce just doesn't get it. Trent is no angel in this entire situation, but this headline is the kind that grabs the attention of the 53 guys in the locker room (some of whom we might want to sign to long term contracts someday), and grabs the attention of every other potential free agent around the NFL.

When you act like a dick, people will treat you like one, Bruce.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...ams-51m-salary
Bruce/the Skins are gonna get crucified for this, but Trent won't play ball either. I can't support someone who would accuse the team of doing some heinous shit like he is saying, and then ask for the investigation to be called off. If they were truly negligent he'd want to expose them.

Besides, there's a metric fuck-ton of other reasons to hate Bruce and Dan anyways. Also, if we're being totally honest as long as the current regime is in place we're probably going to be disliked by any player looking for more than a payday. Our training staff probably has a terrible reputation, we play in a shitty stadium filled with opposing fans, our practice facility is ancient in league years, and we're ran by one of the worst owners in the NFL and his #2 is regarded as the worst exec in the NFL.
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Old 11-08-2019, 05:32 PM   #138
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Besides, there's a metric fuck-ton of other reasons to hate Bruce and Dan anyways. Also, if we're being totally honest as long as the current regime is in place we're probably going to be disliked by any player looking for more than a payday. Our training staff probably has a terrible reputation, we play in a shitty stadium filled with opposing fans, our practice facility is ancient in league years, and we're ran by one of the worst owners in the NFL and his #2 is regarded as the worst exec in the NFL.

You did an excellent job of listing everything wrong with the Redskins!

And I agree with your assessment that Free Agents are going to stay away from the Redskins.

The Redskins will also be hard pressed to find a decent coach, unless they make Bill Callihan the Head Coach next season.

I really hate being Doom and Gloom about the Redskins, but honestly with Dan Synder and Bruce Allen at the helm, I really don't see too many bright spots.


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Old 11-08-2019, 07:27 PM   #139
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Re: Trent Williams ends season-long holdout, rejoins Redskins

Keim has an interesting article, with more from TW. I found this paragraph interesting

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...mpression=true

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After visiting an oncologist in Chicago recommended by Redskins owner Dan Snyder, Williams returned to his hometown of Houston for another doctors visit. They told him they couldn't get him in for seven to 10 days. When the Chicago oncologist heard this, Williams said he was told there was no guarantee the cancer wouldn't spread. So he returned to Chicago for the surgery. All along he rode on Snyder's plane. After the surgery, though, Williams said he spent $200,000 on travel costs.
Williams said he requested a trade or to be released in a two-hour spring conversation in Houston with Redskins president Bruce Allen. The Redskins did not aggressively shop Williams, though they did have discussions with several teams during the season, hoping to land a playmaker. Multiple sources said some teams backed off when they learned the lineman wanted more money, whether in the form of guarantees in his final two years -- he currently has none -- or in an extension.
All this continues to BA/FO being the problem due to arrogance, but still shows Snyder doing positive things for the individual player. TW looks bad too in my opinion, but the bottom line is still BA needs to be gone, preferably the whole front office.

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Old 11-09-2019, 11:54 AM   #140
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Whether it's Trent fault or the Redskins, who comes out looking bad? I have never seen an NFL team that fails at PR like the Redskins do.
Think of all the recent disgruntled players Ramsey, clowney , AB, Zeke to name a few. The FO either worked it out if they knew they could or moved them, some old Casey Stengel addition by subtraction. Not the Skins tho.
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Old 11-09-2019, 01:59 PM   #141
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Interesting article:

https://thefandc.radio.com/trent-wil...silent-anymore
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Old 11-09-2019, 04:20 PM   #142
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200,000!in travel expenses.. WTF
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Old 11-09-2019, 05:01 PM   #143
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200,000!in travel expenses.. WTF
Maybe he flew via jetpack. My last trip to Chicago cost me $220 roundtrip.
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Trent is a ho
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Old 11-09-2019, 05:59 PM   #145
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The worst could have easily occurred here. That would have been a real mess for the Redskins. Apparently the hole in his head was the size of a softball. WTF? The Redskins no matter what are guilty in the court of public opinion. Bruce, the doctors, trainers, coaches, all need pink slips.
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Old 11-10-2019, 03:08 AM   #146
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It doesn’t matter whether this medical issue was mishandled or f-up by TW. TW said before the training camp Started that he WOULD NOT PLAY AGAIN FOR THE REDSKINS AND WANTED A TRADE. This is a fairly common occurrence now in the NFL. OTHER teams either work it out with the star player OR MORE LIKELY TRADE the premium player for the best deal. Simple. The team looks proactive, the player moves to a new team and EVERYONE IS HAPPY!

What does Bruce Allen do? Ignores all calls about a trade. Doesn’t even see what they are offering!! Plays chicken with the best player on the team. States, “He’ll play here this season”. Holds him hostage for the season. “My way or we won’t trade you”. ALL THE TEAMS THAT WERE CALLING (for a trade) EVENTUALLY FILLED THAT HOLE. BA waited until the next to last day before he talked about a trade. Nothing. So BA bold prediction about TW playing this season was wrong. He looked stupid for saying it. His game of chicken failed. He punished Trent in front of the whole NFL and both sideS LOST OUT. Instead of getting rid of deadwood players like Miami did, in order to stockpile draft picks, BA did nothing, proving either he is happy with a single-win season OR he has NO PLAN.

It doesn’t matter WHY TW wanted leave. He made it extremely clear he wanted to be gone. We could have received a First Rounder OR BETTER with an easy trade. Problem solved!

But BA once again decided to do it his way!! He looks bad (again). The team looks as if it likes to punish its best player, a team captain and possibly a future HOFer.!
What does that tell the other players on the team? Or players who might want to play here?

The value of TW is going to be down after the season is over. We have a stop gap 36 year old player in his spot. Scherff is not negotiating anymore. Moses is going to set a record for penalties for an OT. That’s 3 holes in the. OL. Good job Bruce!





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I, actually, kind of like the way it was handled. I'm not a fan of a player holding a team hostage with the "pay me or I'm not playing" adage. I talked a ton of shit about zeke when he did it and I will continue to talk shit about any player that signs a contract and then later decides they dont like the terms they agreed to before. I like that the fo showed that you cant make your own rules. Who knows how much this is about health and how much is about money. Try to hold the team hostage, fuck it. Enjoy 0 pay. I wish more teams would employ this type of tact when the player starts saying they deserve more. Then maybe you shouldn't have signed a contract. And since it's worked for a few players, more and more are going to try. It would be a total nightmare with the players who have a few years left on their contracts f the skins bowed down and did whatever tw wanted. Everyone would be threatening to not play or want a trade or more money. Fuck exactly all of that. I'm not a fan of snyder/allen...but I'm glad they set a precedent like this.
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Old 11-10-2019, 04:28 PM   #148
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I, actually, kind of like the way it was handled. I'm not a fan of a player holding a team hostage with the "pay me or I'm not playing" adage. I talked a ton of shit about zeke when he did it and I will continue to talk shit about any player that signs a contract and then later decides they dont like the terms they agreed to before. I like that the fo showed that you cant make your own rules. Who knows how much this is about health and how much is about money. Try to hold the team hostage, fuck it. Enjoy 0 pay. I wish more teams would employ this type of tact when the player starts saying they deserve more. Then maybe you shouldn't have signed a contract. And since it's worked for a few players, more and more are going to try. It would be a total nightmare with the players who have a few years left on their contracts f the skins bowed down and did whatever tw wanted. Everyone would be threatening to not play or want a trade or more money. Fuck exactly all of that. I'm not a fan of snyder/allen...but I'm glad they set a precedent like this.
Bruce is incompetent and can't win games so he tries to win situations, which is not what it's about.

Sure, there's a feeling of not caving and sticking with "principle", but this is ultimately a situation where it probably cost them. The team could have had a first round pick early on in the situation.

Another downside is how much respect and admiration Trent has from his fellow players. While he was ripping BA and the FO a new one in the locker room, in his now infamous interview, his fellow players were yelling "preach" in the back ground. This feeling reinforces the league wide sentiment about how crappy this FO is to deal with.

Third, how much of a benefit is Trent going to be to the team if he stays? I would guess, not that much. Cooley has repeatedly talked about how Gibbs would help players who didn't like their role or the team leave on good terms. I suspect Gibbs knew a team needs committed players who buy into the the organization and philosophy. These jokers are going "bleed" those who disagree to force compliance.

DJ Swearinger is the perfect example. He didn't like the scheme, the club Jay practices, or anything else, but the team kept him in the building despite his vocal, public opposition. A Gibbs led team wouldn't have kept him, and there wouldn't have been a public falling out.

This whole organization is a joke.
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Bruce is incompetent and can't win games so he tries to win situations, which is not what it's about.

Sure, there's a feeling of not caving and sticking with "principle", but this is ultimately a situation where it probably cost them. The team could have had a first round pick early on in the situation.

Another downside is how much respect and admiration Trent has from his fellow players. While he was ripping BA and the FO a new one in the locker room, in his now infamous interview, his fellow players were yelling "preach" in the back ground. This feeling reinforces the league wide sentiment about how crappy this FO is to deal with.

Third, how much of a benefit is Trent going to be to the team if he stays? I would guess, not that much. Cooley has repeatedly talked about how Gibbs would help players who didn't like their role or the team leave on good terms. I suspect Gibbs knew a team needs committed players who buy into the the organization and philosophy. These jokers are going "bleed" those who disagree to force compliance.

DJ Swearinger is the perfect example. He didn't like the scheme, the club Jay practices, or anything else, but the team kept him in the building despite his vocal, public opposition. A Gibbs led team wouldn't have kept him, and there wouldn't have been a public falling out.

This whole organization is a joke.
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Bruce is incompetent and can't win games so he tries to win situations, which is not what it's about.

Sure, there's a feeling of not caving and sticking with "principle", but this is ultimately a situation where it probably cost them. The team could have had a first round pick early on in the situation.

Another downside is how much respect and admiration Trent has from his fellow players. While he was ripping BA and the FO a new one in the locker room, in his now infamous interview, his fellow players were yelling "preach" in the back ground. This feeling reinforces the league wide sentiment about how crappy this FO is to deal with.

Third, how much of a benefit is Trent going to be to the team if he stays? I would guess, not that much. Cooley has repeatedly talked about how Gibbs would help players who didn't like their role or the team leave on good terms. I suspect Gibbs knew a team needs committed players who buy into the the organization and philosophy. These jokers are going "bleed" those who disagree to force compliance.

DJ Swearinger is the perfect example. He didn't like the scheme, the club Jay practices, or anything else, but the team kept him in the building despite his vocal, public opposition. A Gibbs led team wouldn't have kept him, and there wouldn't have been a public falling out.

This whole organization is a joke.
I agree with a lot of this. Trent is a respected player around the league and him going to like 8 pro bowls in a row means hes had a lot of time to hang out and get to know the other premier players in the league. Between this, the handling of the Kirk Cousins situation, Bruce not communicating with agents and teams, Bruce being unprepared, Bruce being voted the least trustworthy in the league ...

Gibbs = communication. I really think the players and agents have no idea what is going. Like when D Jax and Garcon were going to be FA, they said their agents havent heard a thing from Bruce. I would guess Scherff's agent is also getting zero communication from Bruce just like Trent's and Cousins's etc

Scot Mc talking with players I didnt think was a bad thing. Players and agents need someone who will at the very least communicate with them. Pick up the phone. Do the bare minimum. Bruce doesnt do shit and thinks letting things play out is the way the league is run in 2019.

You have a HOF anchor LT of your team for the past 8 seasons and he is 31 and on the back end of his contract with no guaranteed money if he gets hurt ... of course he wants an extension or making 2020 guaranteed.

Its 2019 NFL .. thats how the game is played. Show players you have their back. If you cant do right by Trent Williams .. ... what player has given more for this shit show the past 8 seasons?
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