Overrated/Underrated

SmootSmack · 05-19-2004, 05:08 PM

Who do you guys think are some of the more overrated and underrated players in the league?

offiss · 05-19-2004, 05:44 PM

I know this isn't a popular vote, but I have to say lavar. Although I like the guy, I just think up until now he's been a product of a lot of hype.

hi-jinx · 05-19-2004, 06:11 PM

I could agree with Lavar beeing overpaid I hope he doesn't turn out overrated.

Overrated:
T.O. (and I hate this guy)
Warren Sapp (his best days are over)
Micheal Vick (yes he is good, but if you have to watch a game he's in its awful how often some talking head say Vick can do this and Vick is great at this, like Vick vs the whole other team is an even match or something)

Underrated:
Marvin Harrison (came in same time as TO has him beat in every stat, but not as many people know is name, best WR in the game last 5 years)
LaDainian Tomlinson (this guy is carring that team)
Jon Kitna (after the year he had last year how can Cindy knock him down to second string?)

Ghost · 05-19-2004, 07:02 PM

Overrated: Corey Dillon, David Boston

Underrated: Jon Jansen, Fred Smoot

Overpaid: Peyton Manning, Champ Bailey

jdlea · 05-19-2004, 07:15 PM

Overrated: Jeremy Shockey (2 TD's a season, 894 yard rookie year...Tony Gonzalez had 10 TD's and 916 yards last season, Heap and Crumpler only had 3 TD's, but they had no one throwing to them)

Kurt Warner (not anymore, but I always knew he was a procuct of the system)

Charles Woodson (fall down a few more times Chuck)

Rich Gannon (his so far past it)

Bobby Taylor (never deserved to make that Pro Bowl a couple years ago)

Keyshawn Johnson (I got 99 catches, but a Touchdown ain't 1...in all seriousness, shut up and find the end zone)

Matt Hasselbeck (it won't last)

Shaun Alexander (5 TD's one week, 50 yards the next)

I almost forgot...
Jeff Garcia (IMO he's the biggest coat tail rider of them all. I disagree that TO is overrated, I think he's one of the best WR on the planet. If Jeff could have put is ego aside they could have been a great team. Rattay even looked good throwing to TO. I could throw TD's to TO...Jeff Garcia = John Salley)

On that note...
Tim Rattay (Not by the media, but when he goes down the 49ers are in the market for a veteran QB...because they were set at quarterback when Tim Rattay was healthy right?)

Bergman14 · 05-19-2004, 07:18 PM

Wow, Lavar overrated, you could not be more off base. You want the one most overrated player in the league right now? Brian Urlacher. Lavar goes into that situation with a stable coaching staff and defenseive coordinator, he has ever bit as much hype as Urlacher. There is one thing that Urlacher has though, he is white, and he plays middle linebacker, and there are too many similarities to Dick Butkus, he is all media overhype and Lavar is definitely the superior player

jdlea · 05-19-2004, 07:21 PM

Underrated: Tomlinson (he's a great back)

Marvin Harrison (for my money and his mouth (or lack thereof) he's the best in the league)

Sam Shade (he was a beast)

Jesse Armstead (he can still get it done)

Marcel Shipp (he's had great games and never a solid opportunity to be a starter)

Dwight Freeney (I just never hear much about him)

Brad Johnson (People always replace him, but he's just an all around solid QB who can get it done)

jdlea · 05-19-2004, 07:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bergman14

Wow, There is one thing that Urlacher has though, he is white, and he plays middle linebacker

I couldn't agree more, but for once I didn't have the b@lls to say it. I was going to put Urlacher, but I try to base things on stats and his are usually phenomenal. However, I think he gets a lot of hype because of the color of his skin. Much like Jeremy Shockey who even has the NY media driving him. Shockey is a lot like Jason Sehorn. A little above average everywhere else, but in NY he becomes the best in the league.

SmootSmack · 05-19-2004, 07:59 PM

I agree that Shockey is among the overrated, and Tomlinson and Harrison fall in the underrated category. Some others:

Underrated:

Derrick Mason
Hines Ward
Fred Taylor (been hard to depend on him healthwise, but when he's healthy he's great)

Overrated:

Jake Plummer: I just don't see it
Mike Alstott: Don't see it there either

And I won't say LaVar but I will say Samuels. He has a world of talent but I don't think he's lived up to it since his rookie year

Daseal · 05-19-2004, 08:02 PM

Over-Rated:
Donovan McNabb - Not much of a passer, loses the big games, but always get's the credit!
Kerry Collins - Been mediocre his whole career, he was the Giant's problem.
Dallas's D - Let's wait till they see some winning teams till we proclaim them a decent defense.
Tommy Maddox - Back to insurance!

Under-rated:
Chris Chambers - give the man a QB.
The Lions - with an awesome rookie/1st year offense, watch out for them.
Marty Booker - HE'S MY FANTASY PICK, HANDS OFF!
Santana Moss - there's a threat opposite of him now - watch his stats skyrocket.
Lee Suggs - Bye Weedhead WIlliam Green - in with VT suggs!
DeShaun Foster - Sell Stephen, keep DeShaun!
Byron Leftwhich - big year
Marcel Shipp - Arizona's running game will be alive, and it won't be Emmitt.
Dominick Davis - Not Freshman luck. Tear it up, Davis!
Moe Williams - He'll do well for the Vikings... again.
Antwon Randel El - This kid will be great~

jdlea · 05-19-2004, 08:03 PM

Everybody makes great points in the overrated category...I was really wanting to argue, but you guys are on point.

Redskins8588 · 05-19-2004, 11:58 PM

Over-rated:
Eddie George - I just don't see it, when we had Stephen Davis everybody talked about how George was a hard runner, but it seemed Davis did not get any credit.

Tom Brady - How in the world can he win Super Bowl MVP's when IMO Adam Vinitary(sp) won both of their Super Bowls?

Emmit Smith - I know he is the all-time rushing leader, but look at the talent level on the cowgirls, vs. the Lions when Barry played. If Barry Sanders did not retire when he did he, hands down, would be the all-time rushing leader.

Under-Rated:
I agree with all the others...

PSUskinsfan11 · 05-20-2004, 01:26 AM

OVERRATED:

Ricky Williams
Jesse Armstead
Matt Hasselback
Keyshawn Johnson
Bill Romanowski
Mike Vick
Troy Vincent
Bobby Taylor
Chris Samuels (past 2 years)
Al Harris
Warren Sapp
Tommy Maddox
Eddie George
Rich Gannon
Tim Rattey
Marc Bulger

UNDERRATED:

Pat Ramsey
Nick Barnett
Jeremiah Trotter
Peter Boulware
Kerry Collins
Fred Smoot
Mike Anderson
Chris Claiborne
Boss Bailey
Chad Johnson
Joe Jurevicius
Jamie Sharper
Fred Taylor
Reggie Wayne
T.J. Ducket
DeShaun Foster
Shawn Barber
Adam Archuletta
L. Tomlinson
Ryan Sims

offiss · 05-20-2004, 03:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bergman14

Wow, Lavar overrated, you could not be more off base. You want the one most overrated player in the league right now? Brian Urlacher. Lavar goes into that situation with a stable coaching staff and defenseive coordinator, he has ever bit as much hype as Urlacher. There is one thing that Urlacher has though, he is white, and he plays middle linebacker, and there are too many similarities to Dick Butkus, he is all media overhype and Lavar is definitely the superior player

I was curious what has lavar done to be considered a top LB?

I wonder if you have actually seen Urlacher play? the guy can play, big time, I would also like to know what is so stable about chicago?

up until now Urlacher has out performed Lavar.......

and nobody is trying to build up Lavar as the second coming of LT?

BossHog · 05-20-2004, 10:15 AM

Overrrated= McNabb (I believe the success he has had the past three years minus last one was due to the domination of the Eagles D.

Underrated= Brady/McNair (The best QBs in the game right now)

Overpaid= Arrington (Anyone making that kind of money had better be the best at his position and a great leader. He's lacking on the latter)

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05-19-2004, 05:08 PM	#1
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Overrated/Underrated Who do you guys think are some of the more overrated and underrated players in the league? __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

05-19-2004, 07:15 PM	#5
jdlea Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Annapolis, MD Age: 39 Posts: 3,106	JDLea drinks the Haterade Overrated: Jeremy Shockey (2 TD's a season, 894 yard rookie year...Tony Gonzalez had 10 TD's and 916 yards last season, Heap and Crumpler only had 3 TD's, but they had no one throwing to them) Kurt Warner (not anymore, but I always knew he was a procuct of the system) Charles Woodson (fall down a few more times Chuck) Rich Gannon (his so far past it) Bobby Taylor (never deserved to make that Pro Bowl a couple years ago) Keyshawn Johnson (I got 99 catches, but a Touchdown ain't 1...in all seriousness, shut up and find the end zone) Matt Hasselbeck (it won't last) Shaun Alexander (5 TD's one week, 50 yards the next) I almost forgot... Jeff Garcia (IMO he's the biggest coat tail rider of them all. I disagree that TO is overrated, I think he's one of the best WR on the planet. If Jeff could have put is ego aside they could have been a great team. Rattay even looked good throwing to TO. I could throw TD's to TO...Jeff Garcia = John Salley) On that note... Tim Rattay (Not by the media, but when he goes down the 49ers are in the market for a veteran QB...because they were set at quarterback when Tim Rattay was healthy right?) Last edited by jdlea; 05-19-2004 at 07:25 PM.

05-19-2004, 07:59 PM	#9
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	I agree that Shockey is among the overrated, and Tomlinson and Harrison fall in the underrated category. Some others: Underrated: Derrick Mason Hines Ward Fred Taylor (been hard to depend on him healthwise, but when he's healthy he's great) Overrated: Jake Plummer: I just don't see it Mike Alstott: Don't see it there either And I won't say LaVar but I will say Samuels. He has a world of talent but I don't think he's lived up to it since his rookie year __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

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05-19-2004, 05:44 PM	#2
offiss Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: sparta, new jersey [ northern jersey ] Age: 59 Posts: 3,097	I know this isn't a popular vote, but I have to say lavar. Although I like the guy, I just think up until now he's been a product of a lot of hype.

05-19-2004, 06:11 PM	#3
hi-jinx Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Memphis Age: 48 Posts: 180	I could agree with Lavar beeing overpaid I hope he doesn't turn out overrated. Overrated: T.O. (and I hate this guy) Warren Sapp (his best days are over) Micheal Vick (yes he is good, but if you have to watch a game he's in its awful how often some talking head say Vick can do this and Vick is great at this, like Vick vs the whole other team is an even match or something) Underrated: Marvin Harrison (came in same time as TO has him beat in every stat, but not as many people know is name, best WR in the game last 5 years) LaDainian Tomlinson (this guy is carring that team) Jon Kitna (after the year he had last year how can Cindy knock him down to second string?)

05-19-2004, 07:02 PM	#4
Ghost Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 298	Overrated: Corey Dillon, David Boston Underrated: Jon Jansen, Fred Smoot Overpaid: Peyton Manning, Champ Bailey

05-19-2004, 07:18 PM	#6
Bergman14 Special Teams Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Winston-Salem Age: 40 Posts: 138	Wow, Lavar overrated, you could not be more off base. You want the one most overrated player in the league right now? Brian Urlacher. Lavar goes into that situation with a stable coaching staff and defenseive coordinator, he has ever bit as much hype as Urlacher. There is one thing that Urlacher has though, he is white, and he plays middle linebacker, and there are too many similarities to Dick Butkus, he is all media overhype and Lavar is definitely the superior player

05-19-2004, 07:21 PM	#7
jdlea Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Annapolis, MD Age: 39 Posts: 3,106	Underrated: Tomlinson (he's a great back) Marvin Harrison (for my money and his mouth (or lack thereof) he's the best in the league) Sam Shade (he was a beast) Jesse Armstead (he can still get it done) Marcel Shipp (he's had great games and never a solid opportunity to be a starter) Dwight Freeney (I just never hear much about him) Brad Johnson (People always replace him, but he's just an all around solid QB who can get it done)

05-19-2004, 08:02 PM	#10
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 41 Posts: 8,341	Over-Rated: Donovan McNabb - Not much of a passer, loses the big games, but always get's the credit! Kerry Collins - Been mediocre his whole career, he was the Giant's problem. Dallas's D - Let's wait till they see some winning teams till we proclaim them a decent defense. Tommy Maddox - Back to insurance! Under-rated: Chris Chambers - give the man a QB. The Lions - with an awesome rookie/1st year offense, watch out for them. Marty Booker - HE'S MY FANTASY PICK, HANDS OFF! Santana Moss - there's a threat opposite of him now - watch his stats skyrocket. Lee Suggs - Bye Weedhead WIlliam Green - in with VT suggs! DeShaun Foster - Sell Stephen, keep DeShaun! Byron Leftwhich - big year Marcel Shipp - Arizona's running game will be alive, and it won't be Emmitt. Dominick Davis - Not Freshman luck. Tear it up, Davis! Moe Williams - He'll do well for the Vikings... again. Antwon Randel El - This kid will be great~

05-19-2004, 08:03 PM	#11
jdlea Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Annapolis, MD Age: 39 Posts: 3,106	Everybody makes great points in the overrated category...I was really wanting to argue, but you guys are on point.

05-19-2004, 11:58 PM	#12
Redskins8588 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Ridgway, PA Age: 45 Posts: 2,519	Over-rated: Eddie George - I just don't see it, when we had Stephen Davis everybody talked about how George was a hard runner, but it seemed Davis did not get any credit. Tom Brady - How in the world can he win Super Bowl MVP's when IMO Adam Vinitary(sp) won both of their Super Bowls? Emmit Smith - I know he is the all-time rushing leader, but look at the talent level on the cowgirls, vs. the Lions when Barry played. If Barry Sanders did not retire when he did he, hands down, would be the all-time rushing leader. Under-Rated: I agree with all the others...

05-20-2004, 01:26 AM	#13
PSUskinsfan11 Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: the port, PA Age: 39 Posts: 692	OVERRATED: Ricky Williams Jesse Armstead Matt Hasselback Keyshawn Johnson Bill Romanowski Mike Vick Troy Vincent Bobby Taylor Chris Samuels (past 2 years) Al Harris Warren Sapp Tommy Maddox Eddie George Rich Gannon Tim Rattey Marc Bulger UNDERRATED: Pat Ramsey Nick Barnett Jeremiah Trotter Peter Boulware Kerry Collins Fred Smoot Mike Anderson Chris Claiborne Boss Bailey Chad Johnson Joe Jurevicius Jamie Sharper Fred Taylor Reggie Wayne T.J. Ducket DeShaun Foster Shawn Barber Adam Archuletta L. Tomlinson Ryan Sims

05-20-2004, 10:15 AM	#15
BossHog Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Norfolk, Va Posts: 665	Overrrated= McNabb (I believe the success he has had the past three years minus last one was due to the domination of the Eagles D. Underrated= Brady/McNair (The best QBs in the game right now) Overpaid= Arrington (Anyone making that kind of money had better be the best at his position and a great leader. He's lacking on the latter)

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