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Old 11-17-2019, 09:07 PM   #46
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Yes 100%, but i'm sure you didn't realize you answered it for me. You really are comparing two different things. AB yells at his GM and gets canned, and Belichick picks him up. Rape Allegation comes out and AB is off the team. AB was never proven guilty, so why did the Pats cut him? But he was never arrested or charged, so why is he not playing?

If it comes out that Montae gave her the drugs that killed her, do you still think he should be here, because in your opinion, "people make poor life choices"? Should we keep a guy on our team that is having parties where people die from drugs?
Am I? Even Belichick makes exceptions for jackasses if they're talented enough. And I think you're selling AB short, they cut him after they had exhausted every option to try and get him to show up and work.

Also, a rape allegation is different than dating someone with a drug addiction. Sorry if you can't tell the difference.

BTW the article clearly says her dad found a "black substance wrapped in tinfoil" in her room. Now, I'm no drug expert, but going by what I've learned in life if I had to guess I'd say that's heroin, probably black tar.

Unless you're suggesting Montae Nicholson supplies her with black tar heroin, I'd put good odds on him not being her dealer.
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Old 11-18-2019, 08:36 AM   #47
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Idk Schneed, if we start railing against any Redskins for hanging out in places where people are doing serious drugs (aka a club) our roster might end up pretty thin at the important spots. I think most NFL players aren't cautious about when to partake because they have a good general idea of when they're going to be tested.

It really wouldn't surprise me to find out they were all doing molly/e/whatever. And the NFL hands out scripts like candy, maybe she OD'd off Montae's supply.

Did anyone hold Montae in good character before this? I'd dump him because he's not that good of a player and now he's making repeatedly poor life choices.
If they're hanging out in clubs late at night during the season then getting rid of all of those players is EXACTLY what we need to change the culture around here.

How anybody goes along thinking any of these things are acceptable is beyond me.
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Old 11-18-2019, 09:10 AM   #48
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Seriously? How would you feel if you or one of your loved ones was drug out into the street and beaten till you or they had permanent brain damage by one of Montae's "poor life choices"?
A. we don't know the events leading up to it. All I know is Montae made a poor life choice deciding to act with his fists instead of talking it out.
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Old 11-18-2019, 09:15 AM   #49
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If they're hanging out in clubs late at night during the season then getting rid of all of those players is EXACTLY what we need to change the culture around here.

How anybody goes along thinking any of these things are acceptable is beyond me.
I'm just saying, in today's league talented players are also headcases for a reason. The kind of headcases that are willing to go out partying on a Fri/Sat night before a game.

Do you not read players stories that they put out there? I'd say partying during a game week is probably a leaguewide problem. Maybe the Pats are the exception because Belichick has won 6 SB's, but you think Antonio Brown wasn't doing whatever the hell he wanted when he was with the Steelers (another "model" organization with the proper culture).

If you want talented guys on your team you're gonna have to put up with their ego's too. The Kerrigans of the NFL world (team first, does his job good, will never have off-the-field trouble) are a rarity.
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Old 11-18-2019, 09:36 AM   #50
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Mooby think about this....

As a Football player, my behavior on and off the field is under a microscope. I know this, so ignorance isn't an excuse.

Im extremely privileged to make a ton of money and to do the thing I love

Knowing this, I made a terrible mistake of a street fight on the mean streets of western Fairfax (sarcasm, Fairfax is an elitist, privileged 1% county in the US). I got a mulligan for this mistake.

I follow this up by dating a heroin addict. We know this drug is highly illegal and users surround themselves with terrible people. Yet, I letting her use in my home and know this can kill her. He cares so much about her that he drops her off to die and chose not to be there with her.

You seriously gonna be an apologist for him?
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Old 11-18-2019, 09:56 AM   #51
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Re: Breaking: Montae Nicholson left woman at hospital before she died from drug overdose

I find it rather amusing to see people wanting him fired for, according to the reports, doing nothing wrong except for dating someone with an addiction... the same people who defended a guy who beat a kid bloody with a stick and even said he wiuld do it again.
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Old 11-18-2019, 10:59 AM   #52
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Re: Breaking: Montae Nicholson left woman at hospital before she died from drug overdose

Surprised he started. He should have been inactive .... I guess the Skins wanted all hands on deck for this win.
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Old 11-18-2019, 12:08 PM   #53
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Mooby think about this....

As a Football player, my behavior on and off the field is under a microscope. I know this, so ignorance isn't an excuse.

Im extremely privileged to make a ton of money and to do the thing I love

Knowing this, I made a terrible mistake of a street fight on the mean streets of western Fairfax (sarcasm, Fairfax is an elitist, privileged 1% county in the US). I got a mulligan for this mistake.

I follow this up by dating a heroin addict. We know this drug is highly illegal and users surround themselves with terrible people. Yet, I letting her use in my home and know this can kill her. He cares so much about her that he drops her off to die and chose not to be there with her.

You seriously gonna be an apologist for him?
The WaPo article indicated he stayed at the hospital for 1/2 hr and left after meeting her brother there. LCSO are the ones saying he dropped her off because he didn't stay there to talk to police. All indications are afterward he is fully cooperating with them.

Can I be clear? I want to replace Montae Nicholson because he's not a good football player, and he's already made poor life choices like getting into unnecessary fights off the field.

But the tone here is that dating a heroin addict and then watching her die due to her addictions is a crime that he should be punished for.

Have any of you ever considered perspective? He was dating her for 6 months, he's probably hurting right now asking himself if there's anything he could've done differently that would've saved her life.

You guys are acting like he dropped her like a bad habit. That he's this totally emotionless/lacking remorse/empathy thug who showed a total lack of concern for her.
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Old 11-18-2019, 12:25 PM   #54
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Re: Breaking: Montae Nicholson left woman at hospital before she died from drug overdose

Unless he supplied her the drugs, he did nothing wrong. Lesson learned, don't date a heroin addict. Very rarely will that end in anything but something bad. NFL players are normal people that happen to be good at football. They still have the same urges we all have. In my early 20's, no way I'm going 6 months without partying. Yes, you should surround yourself with better people, but you aren't responsible for their decisions.
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Old 11-18-2019, 12:34 PM   #55
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Unless he supplied her the drugs, he did nothing wrong. Lesson learned, don't date a heroin addict. Very rarely will that end in anything but something bad. NFL players are normal people that happen to be good at football. They still have the same urges we all have. In my early 20's, no way I'm going 6 months without partying. Yes, you should surround yourself with better people, but you aren't responsible for their decisions.
Something that I think a lot of these fans tend to forget. I also agree with your last line too.
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He's a paid professional, who with one girlfriend is beating someone in the street in late one night and the new girlfriend is dying because of od on heroin at his place.

He's obviously a someone who is a complete moron and lacks serious judgment.

He's def not a victim.
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Old 11-18-2019, 12:43 PM   #57
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There are no victims in this. If you choose to do heroin there is a good chance you will kill yourself. You voluntarily choose to do that, that's your decision. Decisions have consequences.
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Just because lots of young people do questionable shit doesn't mean you, as a fan or as an armchair GM have to accept it.

Winning culture comes with holding people to a higher standard. Lots of people do it, fine. That just means lots of people aren't good enough people to play football on a championship football team.

Some of you guys may be just a little too used to getting along with the bottom quartile of people in this country. The right move as a manager in any organization, let alone the leaders of an NFL football team, is to draw a line and establish minimum acceptable standards of behavior.

My minimum standard is during the season, you're focused on football. That means you're getting sleep, you're staying away from parties, you're focused on nutrition and conditioning, and you're focused on your playbook. If you demonstrate otherwise, unless we have lots of cap dollars tied up in you, you're out.

You don't have to put up with the bottom quartile if you don't want to.
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Heroin? Are we sure it was black tar heroin? That seems like heavy heavy stuff. That just doesnt seem to fit the profile of a 21 year old girl working at planet fitness.

Tom Brady should be the model for every single person who wants to play in the NFL imo. You have a 3-10 year window to maximize your payday before you go back to being mortal like the rest of us. You can party when your 36 .. easier said now that im older than living in the moment but still.
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Old 11-18-2019, 01:58 PM   #60
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Just because lots of young people do questionable shit doesn't mean you, as a fan or as an armchair GM have to accept it.

Winning culture comes with holding people to a higher standard. Lots of people do it, fine. That just means lots of people aren't good enough people to play football on a championship football team.

Some of you guys may be just a little too used to getting along with the bottom quartile of people in this country. The right move as a manager in any organization, let alone the leaders of an NFL football team, is to draw a line and establish minimum acceptable standards of behavior.

My minimum standard is during the season, you're focused on football. That means you're getting sleep, you're staying away from parties, you're focused on nutrition and conditioning, and you're focused on your playbook. If you demonstrate otherwise, unless we have lots of cap dollars tied up in you, you're out.

You don't have to put up with the bottom quartile if you don't want to.
Schneed you should know by now I agree that having a winning culture in place is a necessary thing to compete for titles. I've had the luxury of seeing the Nats and Caps win titles after years of competing with the front-runners. Both of those organizations set the standard and in the Nats case came from a terrible start to winning a title in the same year.

We all joke about the "great culture" we have around here but in reality we couldn't be any further from it. It starts at the top and has invaded every aspect of this organization from Snyder to the ball boys. I just don't see the need to keep discussing it when there is zero indication Snyder has any plans to do what's right. Something has to click with Snyder. If going 1-9 and getting blown out every game can't do it idk what will.
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