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08-15-2009, 08:33 AM | #61 | |
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08-16-2009, 04:21 PM | #62 |
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Re: Preseason Game 1 Quick Hitters: First of all, calm the hell down
A shutout stinks no matter what. It's important for the offensive unit to become "comfortable" in the redzone and endzone. But what I kept thinking when we held the ball is R. Wynn's comments (fairly recent) about how the NY defense had/has no respect for our offense. I think that will be the case for every decent defense we face unless/until Zorn gets AGGRESSIVE AND DYNAMIC in his playcalling. We have to start moving the ball downfield in big chunks or the offense will just sputter all year long. Time to take some risks IMHO. JC has a monster arm and his accuracy on the long ball seems no worse than the medium range stuff...so I'd really like to see the o-line step up the pass protection and then Zorn call a shitload of bombs as soon as the regular season starts. I guarantee you not a single defensive coordinator in the league will expect it, especially if we stay aggressive for multiple series.
I think defensive depth, beyond DL, is of big concern. Our LB unit is shallow on talent and a bit weak. I really wonder if a true stud LB would have paid higher dividends than adding another pass rusher (Orakpo) after the phat Al acquisition. Hopefully Rocky has a breakout season and we don't have injuries to that group or the defense will suffer. The secondary is sort of a mystery. We have talent back there...I think they just need to gel. And it's time for Laron to breakout.
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There's 1st and 10, which Zorn already does, and has hurt the offense. There's 2nd and 10, but any sort of failure more or less ends our drive with an 80% probability. There's 3rd and short, which makes some sense, but decreases the chances we get a first down. What would you suggest is the optimal situation to step outside what we do well and attack with route combinations down the field? I'm not going to argue that we shouldn't ever go down the field, but if the penalty for doing so unsuccessfully is a likely punt, how often should we go downfield? I should add that this year, with Hunter Smith in town, the Redskins probably shouldn't fear punting in the same way they did last year. So perhaps the answer is more frequently, but how much more frequently?
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...ok so of the examples you gave (1,2, and 3) i choose number 4: a long bomb on 2nd and short. I don't remember seeing that scenario play out last year. Predictability is basically what I'm getting at bro...we've been far too predictable.
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Re: Preseason Game 1 Quick Hitters: First of all, calm the hell down
I think 2nd and short, at times, would be an excellent time to go long. An OC calls a lot of plays to SETUP plays for a later time. Not all setup plays are successful as far as yardage, but they help to setup plays for later. We need to go long sometimes whether it works or not to keep the defense honest. It's a lot harder to cover 60 yards, than say, 20. Whether the play itself is successful or not, and sometimes it is, it is a tactic that helps you keep the defense guessing.
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08-17-2009, 01:15 AM | #68 |
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Re: Preseason Game 1 Quick Hitters: First of all, calm the hell down
Play action is where most of the aggressive calls and big plays will probably be coming from; you obviously need pass pro for play action.
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The Redskins completed two bombs and drew one penalty on 24 attempts last year. That's obviously an ineffective use of plays. I think Campbell is a little bit overrated as a deep ball thrower. He's got a good, maybe a little bit better than good deep ball. It's not the automatic weapon some think it is. The other thing is, who is he going to throw it to? Moss can get behind corners and safeties, but most teams in the league have defensive ability to take him away without compromising more than just that cliche'd eight in the box. Randle El doesn't have any sort of deep ability, so you're left hoping that either Thomas or Kelly will flash some deep ability. The thing that's the big issue right now is converting the third downs we should, while being able to run the ball at a reasonable rate. To me, I think for a west coast team, in every sense of the word, trying to force the ball down the field actually detracts from our actual offensive problems, which is the fundamental pass protection (not necessarily OL) issues on downs the Redskins need to sustain drives, and the cast decline of the running game. But you touched on the ultimate idea: if we only launch 24 bombs all of this upcoming season, but we complete them at a rate twice as good as last year: 7-8 completions + penalties drawn, you combine that with an improved offensive efficiency and Campbell has an outside shot at a 4,000 yard, 25 TD season. But of the offensive improvements were likely to make this year, improved third down passing and moderately successful running behind a rebuild pass protection unit are likely. Improved deep ball efficiency is probably not happening in this season. Maybe I'm wrong and we underperformed our deep ball abilities last year, but I just don't think we have the ability to go deep four-five times a game with 40-50% success.
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I was very disappointed with the Redskins performance in the first preseason game. People say these games are meaningless but that's a bunch of crap. These games mean everything for players that are in position battles (right tackle, wide receiver, defensive line, ...) and making the team. The disappointment is more with the lack of depth of the overall team. The Skins have some good marque players but the drop off in talent is tremendous. The reason for the drop off in talent is because of the organization philosophy of going after free agents and not through the draft. Most of the successful organizations (NE, Indy, Pittsburgh, Giants, ...) have built through the draft. I don't know why the Redskins continue to go against the grain. Not only does the Redskins trade away draft picks like Christmas presents but when they do select players, the picks are questionable. Our top draft picks have been good but the middle to late round picks are bad with one exception (Chris Horton). The good organizations consistently find quality starters in the middle rounds whereas the Skins pick guys like Justin Tryon or Durant Brooks that won't be around long.
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New England Patriots (2008) 4th round: Jonathan Wilhite (CB) 2nd on depth chart 5th round: Matt Slater (WR) 2nd on depth chart 6th round: Bo Ruud (LB) on the Browns now (spent rookie year on IR, waived in April) New England Patriots (2007) 4th round: Kareem Brown (DT) On the Jets now (waived in 2007 after 11 games on the inactive roster by Pats) 5th round: Clint Oldenburg (T) On the Broncos now (waived before 2007 season by Pats) 6th round: Justin Rogers (LB) On the Cowboys now (waived before 2007 season by Pats) 6th round: Mike Richardson (DB) 3rd on depth chart 6th round: Justise Hairston (RB) On Bills now (Waived in September 2007 by Pats) 6th round: Corey Hilliard (T) On Colts now 7th round: Oscar Lua (LB) not in league right now 7th round: Mike Elgin (G) not in league right now New England Patriots (2006) 4th round: Garrett Mills (RB) On Vikings now (waived by Pats in fall 2007) 4th round: Stephen Gostkowski (K) He's good 5th round: Ryan O'Callaghan (T) 3rd on the depth chart 6th round: Jeremy Mincey (DE) On Jaguars now (practice squad with Patriots) 6th round: Dan Stevenson (G) not in league right now 6th round: Le Kevin Smith (DT) 2nd on depth chart 7th round: Willie Andrews (CB) not in league right now So that's 18 draft picks; one starter; three guys who are 2nd on depth chart (12 guys not on the team anymore) Indianapolis Colts (2008) 4th round: Jacob Tamme (TE) 3rd on depth chart 5th round: Marcus Howard (DE) 3rd on depth chart 6th round: Tom Santi (TE) 4th on depth chart 6th round: Steve Justice (C) 2nd on depth chart 6th round: Mike Hart (RB) 3rd on depth chart, recovering from major injury 6th round: Pierre Garcon (WR) someone to watch out for as a #3 WR this year 7th round: Jamey Richard (C) 2nd on depth chart Indianapolis Colts (2007) 4th round: Brannon Condren (DB) not in league right now (waived halfway through 2007 season by Colts) 4th round: Clint Session (LB) starting LB 5th round: Roy Hall (WR) not in league right now 5th round: Michael Coe (DB) 4th on depth chart 7th round: Keyunta Dawson (DT) 2nd on depth chart at LDE, 42 career tackles Indianapolis Colts (2006) 5th round: Michael Toudouze (G) 3rd on depth chart 6th round: Charlie Johnson (T) 10 game starter in 2007, 16 game starter in 2008 6th round: Antoine Bethea (SS) starter at Free Safety 7th round: TJ Rushing (DB) 3rd on depth chart (starter at punt returner) 16 picks; 4 starters; 2 backups (1 guy not on the team anymore) New York Giants (2008) 4th round: Bryan Kehl (OLB) 2nd on depth chart 5th round: Jonathan Goff (LB) 2 career tackles, not even sure he's still on the team 6th round: Andre Woodson (QB) Practice Squad, I think 6th round: Robert Henderson (DE) injured reserve New York Giants (2007) 4th round: Zak DeOssie (LB) 2nd on depth chart 5th round: Kevin Boss (TE) starter at TE 6th round: Adam Koets (T) 2nd on depth chart 7th round: Michael Johnson (S) starter 7th round: Ahmad Bradshaw (RB) great, great pick New York Giants (2006) 4th round: Barry Cofield (NT) starter 4th round: Guy Whimper (T) Practice squad, I think 5th round: Charlie Peprah (DB) on Packers now (think he spent 2006 on Giants PS) 7th round: Gerrick McPhearson (DB) not in league right now (2006 Giants PS) 13 picks; 4 starters; 2 backups (2 guys, at least, not on the team anymore) Pittsburgh Steelers (2008) 4th round: Tony Hills (T) 2nd on depth chart 5th round: Dennis Dixon (QB) 3rd on depth chart 6th round: Mike Humpal (LB) not in league right now 6th round: Ryan Mundy (FS) 2nd on depth chart Pittsburgh Steelers (2007) 4th round: Daniel Sepulveda (P) Was hurt last year, but he's good 4th round: Ryan McBean (DE) On Broncos now (played one game as a Steeler) 5th round: Cameron Stephenson (G) On Jaguars now (cut before 2007 season by Steelers) 5th round: William Gay (DB) starter 7th round: Dallas Baker (WR) 3rd on depth chart Pittsburgh Steelers (2006) 4th round: Willie Colon (T) starter 4th round: Orien Harris (DT) On Lions now (did nothing with the Steelers) 5th round: Omar Jacobs (QB) not in league right now (cut before 2006 season by Steelers) 5th round: Charles Davis (TE) on Chargers now 6th round: Marvin Phillip (C) on Bills now 7th round: Cedric Humes (RB) not in league right now 15 picks; 2 starters, 2 backups (8 guys not on the team anymore) From 2006 through 2008 the Redskins have had 15 draft picks from round 4 through 7; 1 starter and 5 backups (5 guys not on the team anymore) In conclusion...you're wrong
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Re: Preseason Game 1 Quick Hitters: First of all, calm the hell down
Nice homework SS. I only wish people did more of this instead of tossing out assumptions and passing them off as fact.
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