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Old 11-09-2020, 10:19 AM   #16
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Watching the young QBs around the league and dreaming that we had one of those guys .. Tua,Kyler, Herbert, Patrick, Josh ..
Pretty much sums it up. Above all else we gotta get one.
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Old 11-09-2020, 10:22 AM   #17
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If we had to do it all over again, I'd still say Tua over CY. As much as I love Young, and the impact he has had is very good, the offense lacks QB production so bad. Cam Sims proved yesterday he can be a great weapon as well if he actually gets the fucking ball.
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Old 11-09-2020, 10:31 AM   #18
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I only got to watch the first quarter listened to the rest on radio. How did the giants offense win the LOS? We have top end players across the DL and they have to start impacting games more.

Is it linebackers not filling the holes? The secondary seems to be at least average.

2-6 and losing to some bad teams in the process.

This DL and 4th ranked D entering this game have to impact games. I dont think we forced one turnover from turnover prone Daniel Jones.

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Looking at the box score

0s and 1s - lots of 0s and 1s on chase and Montez stat line
325 passing yards for Alex. Did he look like step up from Allen sans the ints?
166 rushing yards for giants at over 4 yards per carry
5 sacks for skins
2 sacks giants
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Old 11-09-2020, 10:36 AM   #19
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Pressure was there from the D they just didn't close with sacks (15 pressures I believe, 5 sacks but should have been plenty more). Jones fumbled twice but they recovered them.
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Old 11-09-2020, 10:40 AM   #20
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I only got to watch the first quarter listened to the rest on radio. How did the giants offense win the LOS? We have top end players across the DL and they have to start impacting games more.

Is it linebackers not filling the holes? The secondary seems to be at least average.

2-6 and losing to some bad teams in the process.

This DL and 4th ranked D entering this game have to impact games. I dont think we forced one turnover from turnover prone Daniel Jones.

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Looking at the box score

0s and 1s - lots of 0s and 1s on chase and Montez stat line
325 passing yards for Alex. Did he look like step up from Allen sans the ints?
166 rushing yards for giants at over 4 yards per carry
5 sacks for skins
2 sacks giants

Defense was bad yesterday, no other way around it.. We can't stop the run at all on 3& short. This amazing DL is just average folks, sorry but the numbers don't lie.
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Old 11-09-2020, 10:41 AM   #21
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Pressure was there from the D they just didn't close with sacks (15 pressures I believe). Jones fumbled twice but they recovered them.
But did it impact the game though?

QB pressure is great but were our guys leaving gaps to try and get a sack vs playing the run on the way to the QB?

166 rushing yards is not a good performance for this all first round DL.

They need to dominate in run and pass. 5 freaking first round picks. They need to do better than almost get there.
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Pressure was there from the D they just didn't close with sacks (15 pressures I believe, 5 sacks but should have been plenty more). Jones fumbled twice but they recovered them.
I can't believe Jones has only won 1 game in his career outside of playing us lmao.. This franchise makes bad QBs look good
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DL can't work miracles on their own, our LBs are subpar at best.
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But did it impact the game though?

QB pressure is great but were our guys leaving gaps to try and get a sack vs playing the run on the way to the QB?

166 rushing yards is not a good performance for this all first round DL.

They need to dominate in run and pass. 5 freaking first round picks. They need to do better than almost get there.
Sweat has been our best player and it's due to Young's presence but Allen and Payne are both always inconsistent
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Defense was bad yesterday, no other way around it.. We can't stop the run at all on 3& short. This amazing DL is just average folks, sorry but the numbers don't lie.
I like all the players individually, they are all very good players but in hindsight we should have spread those 1 st round picks around. We have very capable guys like settle getting unused who could very well bring equivalent production.

Just bad allocation of resources but ... if you are going to go heavy somewhere Id want it to be the DL.

Idk Im rambling ... same rambles for a year plus now.
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Pressure was there from the D they just didn't close with sacks (15 pressures I believe, 5 sacks but should have been plenty more). Jones fumbled twice but they recovered them.
I feel like teams have successfully game planned for our d-line by emphasizing getting the ball out quick. We tend to have more success when they try longer developing plays that require more time in the pocket.

Either way Jones is now 4-0 against us in his career and 1-17 against everybody else, so he has our number now. I've never seen somebody who was so mediocre against everybody else dominate us like he has.
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I like all the players individually, they are all very good players but in hindsight we should have spread those 1 st round picks around. We have very capable guys like settle getting unused who could very well bring equivalent production.

Just bad allocation of resources but ... if you are going to go heavy somewhere Id want it to be the DL.

Idk Im rambling ... same rambles for a year plus now.
Settle did have a sack yesterday, he's making the most of his limited PT.

And with our injury luck I'm happy having reserves like Kerrigan and Settle, I feel like we shouldn't take it for granted that if something happens to one of our starters we can have a quality backup come in.
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Please focus on Oline, TE and QB.



I listened to game driving and watched bits and pieces on redzone. The incompetent play is concerning


MLB and secondary would be good too. K isnt something we dont need. Its actually easier to point out what we do not need. Punter, WR, and Dline. Though you could still make the case for another wr. That is always a true test of how far along you are as a team. We literally have more holes unfilled than filled. We are probably still at least two years away and that is if somehow we can reverse our trend of offseason miscues.


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Nothing will change until we get a QB man, coaching , GM, Owner it all does not matter if you don't have a QB1.


Absotootly. But we have a shit ton of other holes.


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Re: Giants post season ending loss thread

GRADES FOR BOTH SIDES YESTERDAY:

OFFENSE
C.LUCAS = 86.1
I . WRIGHT = 85.7
K .ALLEN = 81.7
C .SIMS = 78
TERRY = 78

DEFENSE -
ALLEN - 83
PAYNE -77
HOLCOMB -75
SETTLE -72
DARBY -71

One grade to be notes is Chase Young has now had 4 games in which his Pass rushing grade has not reached 65.. He's a rookie and we have to be patient but that is not a "Generational talent" type production
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