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[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

Read JP Finlay’s article (the 1st of the 3)he ran this years draft.
Do you not like:

Payne
Guice
Christian
Apke
Settle
Hamilton
Stohman
Quinn

It’s shitty luck most got hurt but the jury is out and the draft is not if it is successful for 1-3 years. I think it’s a pretty solid draft.

Too early. Happy w Payne, but I should be, he’s a 1st. Thrilled with Guice. And Settle looks like a rotational guy I can count on. The rest looks like special teams to me, but like I said, far too early.

Same can be said of Kyle Smith. I want more experience and a longer track record with well-run organizations. I look at his experience being mostly with the toxic culture in Allen’s shop and I see it as a negative. It’s not his fault but it’s still what he knows.

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Too early. Happy w Payne, but I should be, he’s a 1st. Thrilled with Guice. And Settle looks like a rotational guy I can count on. The rest looks like special teams to me, but like I said, far too early.

Same can be said of Kyle Smith. I want more experience and a longer track record with well-run organizations. I look at his experience being mostly with the toxic culture in Allen’s shop and I see it as a negative. It’s not his fault but it’s still what he knows.

Yeah looks like a typical NFL draft to me. 1st round should be a starter and 2nd round should be able to start or get decent playing time. 3rd and 4th round off the bench everyone else is a warm body.

[mooby]

I think growing up under a good organization doesn't necessarily predict future success Schneed. You make a good point that the culture around here is toxic and I'm not sure Kyle Smith has benefitted from that, but OTOH look at how many of Bill B's former assistants and FO guys (like Pioli) haven't panned out elsewhere.

I don't have a suggestion as to where we can find the next NFL prodigy either, why does it have to be so hard?

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by mooby

I think growing up under a good organization doesn't necessarily predict future success Schneed. You make a good point that the culture around here is toxic and I'm not sure Kyle Smith has benefitted from that, but OTOH look at how many of Bill B's former assistants and FO guys (like Pioli) haven't panned out elsewhere.

I don't have a suggestion as to where we can find the next NFL prodigy either, why does it have to be so hard?

I'm with ya, and I think it's not only hard for us as fans but it's hard for franchises too, as you note. But at the same time if you find a personnel guy who has 15+ years of experience, and that experience included being part of two separate Super Bowl winning organizations, I take that as a pretty good resume. Right? I mean that part isn't hard.

I feel like justifying Kyle Smith over Joe Douglas's much more accomplished resume is the same as reaching for a draft pick. Or perhaps a more apt comparison, the same thing as passing up Wade Phillips for Joe Barry or passing up Gus Bradley for Greg Manusky.

It's bypassing an unequivocally stronger resume for someone you're familiar with. That's the EXACT thinking we need to purge from Redskins park. I'm alarmed that anybody wants to continue with that mindset.

And I'm not even married to Joe Douglas. All I want is a thorough search of all available applicants and to pick the strongest resume. How do you determine strongest resume? Not that hard, I don't think. Look for experience, look for winning organizations, talk to people to get references and recommendations, and then interview them. It's still a crapshoot - guys like Pioli made good sense as strong resumes, and it just didn't work out. But for God's sakes don't just go with familiar. Familiar is how we've ended up with mediocrity and empty seats.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

I'm with ya, and I think it's not only hard for us as fans but it's hard for franchises too, as you note. But at the same time if you find a personnel guy who has 15+ years of experience, and that experience included being part of two separate Super Bowl winning organizations, I take that as a pretty good resume. Right? I mean that part isn't hard.

I feel like justifying Kyle Smith over Joe Douglas's much more accomplished resume is the same as reaching for a draft pick. Or perhaps a more apt comparison, the same thing as passing up Wade Phillips for Joe Barry or passing up Gus Bradley for Greg Manusky.

It's bypassing an unequivocally stronger resume for someone you're familiar with. That's the EXACT thinking we need to purge from Redskins park. I'm alarmed that anybody wants to continue with that mindset.

And I'm not even married to Joe Douglas. All I want is a thorough search of all available applicants and to pick the strongest resume. How do you determine strongest resume? Not that hard, I don't think. Look for experience, look for winning organizations, talk to people to get references and recommendations, and then interview them. It's still a crapshoot - guys like Pioli made good sense as strong resumes, and it just didn't work out. But for God's sakes don't just go with familiar. Familiar is how we've ended up with mediocrity and empty seats.

An analogy I can understand. Well said. Definitely agree we should try to avoid the trap of familiarity. Kyle Smith should get an interview at least, but if DS is smart (big if) he will bring in some candidates like you mentioned. I'm really just concerned he might not be able to cope with bringing in a guy who would prefer Dan stay out of football ops.

[DYoungJelly]

Originally Posted by mooby

An analogy I can understand. Well said. Definitely agree we should try to avoid the trap of familiarity. Kyle Smith should get an interview at least, but if DS is smart (big if) he will bring in some candidates like you mentioned. I'm really just concerned he might not be able to cope with bringing in a guy who would prefer Dan stay out of football ops.

The Rams should have went with a much more accomplished HC candidate?

How would hiring McVay have looked in hind sight? Would he have been too familiar?

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[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by DYoungJelly

The Rams should have went with a much more accomplished HC candidate?

How would hiring McVay have looked in hind sight? Would he have been too familiar?

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Dude here's the thing you're missing. Do you like DAN SNYDER's chances of finding someone successful HE'S familiar with?

It's not like we have a great tree to work from here. We don't have Bill Walsh in our ownership or front office, with this immense and accomplished tree from which to pluck.

Dan Snyder is the exact reason why we need to can Allen and hope Snyder opens himself up to an expansive search. If Snyder goes with someone he's familiar with, we've shot ourselves in the foot from the jump.

[DYoungJelly]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Dude here's the thing you're missing. Do you like DAN SNYDER's chances of finding someone successful HE'S familiar with?

It's not like we have a great tree to work from here. We don't have Bill Walsh in our ownership or front office, with this immense and accomplished tree from which to pluck.

Dan Snyder is the exact reason why we need to can Allen and hope Snyder opens himself up to an expansive search. If Snyder goes with someone he's familiar with, we've shot ourselves in the foot from the jump.

All the same people who called McVay a prodigy and predicted his rise are saying the same type things about Smith.

We might have something special here, just like with Mcvay.

We might not, but you seem to have blinders on by not wanting to even consider him.

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