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Old 04-13-2019, 03:45 AM   #31
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Re: New 4th and 15 rule..................

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I like the thought of shortening the yard to 7-8 but by the time they get done reviewing each and every onside attempt to make sure that it went the proper distance. The game would drag on forever. I donít see them adding another line on the field so how would one even ensure on replays that it went the distance. It would slow down the pace of the game too much towards the end. I just canít see making it efficient from a verification standpoint. Regardless of what the refs decide. Your going to have fans of the losing side saying it was the opposite. And we have a whole new Dez catch scenario that just keeps compounding.
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Why is any team that just scored entitled to get the ball back through some kind of gimmick? This is video game thinking, not football. Youíre supposed to play football for 60 minutes and the team thatís ahead wins.

If you want a gimmick that is as random as a 4th and 15 rule, make it a good one: Hand to hand combat on the 50 yard line between either the kicker or the punter of the scoring team and any player chosen by the team thatís ahead. Winner gets the ball on the 20.
Agree with both of you.

Again, just remember your kicker and special team coordinator that onside kicks are part of their respective jobs. Not something that they might have to do but nobody expects them to succeed at...

If 90% of onside kicks were kicked properly, then the recovery would be 40/60%ish IMO (This statistical study was offered to you by Bernard, regular customer of my local bar).
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Old 04-13-2019, 07:00 AM   #32
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Why is any team that just scored entitled to get the ball back through some kind of gimmick? This is video game thinking, not football. Youíre supposed to play football for 60 minutes and the team thatís ahead wins.

If you want a gimmick that is as random as a 4th and 15 rule, make it a good one: Hand to hand combat on the 50 yard line between either the kicker or the punter of the scoring team and any player chosen by the team thatís ahead. Winner gets the ball on the 20.


Isnít an onsides kick a gimmick of sorts?

Theyíre just trying to replace a play thatís become obsolete.



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Old 04-13-2019, 07:35 AM   #33
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Isnít an onsides kick a gimmick of sorts?

Theyíre just trying to replace a play thatís become obsolete.



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Not really IMO. An onside kick is still a kickoff. The same rules apply in both plays. It's just that you kick the ball differently...
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Old 04-14-2019, 08:24 AM   #34
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Isnít an onsides kick a gimmick of sorts?

Theyíre just trying to replace a play thatís become obsolete.



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Yes, the onsides kick is a gimmick of sorts. A more consistent rule would be to make punts and kickoffs the same ó live ball only if it is touched by the receiving team. Itís a fundamental part of football that the other team gets possession after you score.

But whatever you think about the current onsides kick situation, letís not go further down the gimmick rabbit hole. Itís pandering to the idea that your sorry ass team still has a chance to win with few minutes left no matter what the score.
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Old 04-14-2019, 12:57 PM   #35
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Re: New 4th and 15 rule..................

How about counting a kickoff through the uprights as a 4 point field goal? Is this even possible? I think I have seen this happen?
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Old 04-15-2019, 02:22 AM   #36
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Re: New 4th and 15 rule..................

Would be nice but it would be kind of confusing that four point field goal rule but you may be onto something my friend.
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Old 04-15-2019, 10:03 AM   #37
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Re: New 4th and 15 rule..................

I like the idea of a 4 point FG, maybe at least 57 yards out?
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Old 04-15-2019, 10:45 AM   #38
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I like the idea of a 4 point FG, maybe at least 57 yards out?
So if a team is down 4 in the closing seconds at the other teams 20 do they try to score a touchdown or does the QB take a 20 yard loss on a sack and try to make a kick to tie?
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So if a team is down 4 in the closing seconds at the other teams 20 do they try to score a touchdown or does the QB take a 20 yard loss on a sack and try to make a kick to tie?


A coach is going to look really dumb in that scenario giving up a chance to win the game in the red zone vs trying to tie the game donít you think



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Old 04-15-2019, 11:04 AM   #40
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A coach is going to look really dumb in that scenario giving up a chance to win the game in the red zone vs trying to tie the game donít you think



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That was an extreme issue, but I could see someone doing something to back up if it was close.
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So if a team is down 4 in the closing seconds at the other teams 20 do they try to score a touchdown or does the QB take a 20 yard loss on a sack and try to make a kick to tie?
Far fetched but I like your point. Basically it penalizes a defense for making a stop on their 40 compared to making a stop on their 30...
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