F... the HOF voters!!!!

[gibbs4life]

speechless is all i can really say ..

i,m soo pissed stinkie is right they are a bunch of classless clowns...

voting for the HOF is so easy even a caveman could do it..
a total disgrace..

[SmootSmack]

I was a little surprised Tagliabue didn't get in either actually

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by dmek25

i would really like to here the reasoning behind Irvin over Monk. they were alot alike in their games. and Monks stats are miles ahead of Irvin's

His stats AND his reputation...

This is a sick joke.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

I dont get the whole 'defining catch' bullsh*t excuse. I can't name one defining catch from just about any reciever. Good WRs have LOTS OF GOOD CATCHES. Monk was no different. And just because he wasn't a media whore ass-clown doesn't mean that he wasn't a brilliant WR. The only reason one remembers signature plays is because the player plays to the hype enough to make it huge. It is perhaps the most ridiculous reasoning behind anything I have heard.

Exactly...Lynn Swann and John Taylor (not HOF-worthy) are the only "defining catch" WRs I could think of. Dwight Clark at TE.

This is a lame excuse for denying a worthy player to the Hall in favor of a drug-addict piece of trash. This isn't even my Redskins/Cowboys bias kicking in, it's just a simple fact that someone like Irvin should NOT be representing the NFL's greatest players.

[redsk1]

Irvin deserves to be in the HOF, but Monk deserves it just as much if not more. MI is a HOF. Everyone is just p***** that Monk didn't get in & he did. Irvin still pushed off alot and never got called. Pretty ridiculous though. If no defining catch is there obstacle, then did Steve Largent have a defining catch? I can't think of any and he deserves to be in.

[70Chip]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

I was a little surprised Tagliabue didn't get in either actually

Tagliabue is a DC guy. He went to Georgetown and was a Redskins season ticket holder before he became comissioner. Say no more.

Tagliabue was a great comissioner. He had the rare ability to realize things were fine and to not eff with them. Goodell worries me to the extent that he seems to have the need to put his stamp on things. People can make a difference but they usually shouldn't.

[LBrown43]

Class and character obviously don't count in getting in. On the other hand a lack of character and drug busts and other lack of class attributes seem to go over big with the voters.
Art, you were robbed once again. If they ever come knocking....you should quietly and politely turn them down. You have too much class to be shoulder to shoulder with the likes of the so called deserving.

[Dogtag]

I strongly disagree with the values these HOF voters hold. In my book Art Monk deserves better, much better.

However, the fact that Art Monk has not spoken/written negatively about this HOF process (publically) speaks volumes for his maturity and his continued presence as a positive role model. Art Monk remains a class act!

[skinsfan69]

Players and coaches need to vote and not sports writers.

[mike340]

W.C.Fields once wrote that he didn't want to belong to any society that would accept (someone like) him as a member. Perhaps this is what Monk should feel about the Hall of Shame.

While a lot of people are saying they have lost all respect for the place, I know that people will go there if Monk gets in. So I have a question.
How many people go to the induction ceremony? If there aren't too many it might be possible to flood the place with fans with wearing Monk jerseys. There would be no reason to "Irvin" (disrupt) the ceremony. It's a pacific way of making a very strong comment.

As far as stats go, Monk was far superior to Irvin. (I believe) Monk got his record (106) before our other good wideouts came on board. After that he lost a lot of touches to Clark (and Sanders.) In addition, he lost touches because he didn't lobby the coaches for the ball. Irvin got similar per-year stats as the Cowboys' "go-to" receiver.

The last time I checked, football was a team sport. The best player should therefore by judged in the context of how they contributed to the team. Monk sacrificed the good of the individual (by not lobbying for the ball and not complaining about how he was used) for the good of the team, costing him yardage, catches, TDs, and Pro-Bowl selections, while still maintaining career averages in the same range as Irvin. I must conclude from the HOSh voting that football is no longer a team sport.

[SkinEmAll]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I think Irvin should be there, he just shouldn't have gotten in ahead of Monk. But the voters are looking at postseason too and that's where the difference lies.

What in the world are you talking about???? Can you show me some stats that put irvin WAY ahead of Monk? Can you please explain your stance on the post season instead of leaving it open? I guess irvin made himself a household name, but it wasnt all from ON the field production. Monk should have been in by now, and the voters are watering down the value and integrity of the HOF. The HOF voting is becoming more and more like the pro bowl voting, a complete joke. I wish the voters werent replaced only when they retire or die, it should be a set number of years and then they bring in a new batch. Anyway, skinsfan69 show me what the difference is in the post season that puts irvin ahead of Monk.

[SmootSmack]

Postseason stats:

Michael Irvin: 16 games, 87 catches, 1314 yards, 8 TDs

Art Monk: 15 games, 69 catches, 1062 yards, 7 TDs

But Monk also had 6 carries for 17 yards, whereas Irvin had 0 for 0....so ha!

[SkinEmAll]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

Postseason stats:

Michael Irvin: 16 games, 87 catches, 1314 yards, 8 TDs

Art Monk: 15 games, 69 catches, 1062 yards, 7 TDs

But Monk also had 6 carries for 17 yards, whereas Irvin had 0 for 0....so ha!

Thank you very much TAFKAS!!

[SkinEmAll]

ok so here we go, if were talking postseason stats are what set them apart, here are their respective avgs per postseason game;

Art Monk: 15 games, 4.6 catches per game, 70.8 yards per game, 0.4 TDs per game.

m. irvin: 16 games, 5.4 catches per game, 82 yards per game, 0.5 TDs per game.

and Monk had 6 carries for 17 yards.

sorry, I just dont see the big difference here. irvin before Monk? Theres is NOT ONE legitimate reason for irvin to be in before Monk. Period.

[DGreen28]

Art Monk invented the term possession WR. Monk 68 receiving TDs, Irvin 65.
Receiving yards: MONK 12,721, Irvin 11,904.
Catches: MONK 940, Irvin 750
Catch a pass in 183 straight games. Former NFL record.
When Rice broken records he was breaking Monk's records.

I HATE THE COWBOYS and HOF voters