Republican nominee for President

TheMalcolmConnection · 03-21-2016, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Chico23231

Im not cool with any violence at all from anyone. But I would ask the protesters why even participate in the charade? This is exactly what trump wants...and for the protesters, I think this is just another "look at me" event. They want to be part of the reality tv show.

End the end...Dems want to run against Trump. This election will be a landslide for the Dems against Trump. I guarantee it. No way Trump wins.

Was more aiming this at Hog1.

Just find it ironic how much he preaches "CONSTITUTION! FREE SPEECH!" yet when someone doesn't agree with his message, "Get 'em outta' here." and the supporters each that shit up. I mean how stupid are they to not see the person they're supporting just contradicted himself?!

I've said it once and I'll say it again: I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.

Chico23231 · 03-21-2016, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

Was more aiming this at Hog1.

Just find it ironic how much he preaches "CONSTITUTION! FREE SPEECH!" yet when someone doesn't agree with his message, "Get 'em outta' here." and the supporters each that shit up. I mean how stupid are they to not see the person they're supporting just contradicted himself?!

I've said it once and I'll say it again: I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.

I had some friends over last night and was saying this social media world we live in today is making us dumber. Instead of sitting back and thinking about things, its become a world of "instant stupid." Trump has tapped into this.

Schneed10 · 03-21-2016, 10:44 AM

Hog just stop. Your argument makes no sense. Just bite the bullet and move on. You can't dig out of a hole by continuing to dig.

MTK · 03-21-2016, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Chico23231

I had some friends over last night and was saying this social media world we live in today is making us dumber. Instead of sitting back and thinking about things, its become a world of "instant stupid." Trump has tapped into this.

Everyone has an opinion and they aren't afraid to voice it. Problem is more often than not it's a completely uninformed one, anyone that can read a headline suddenly is an expert on the matter.

Chico23231 · 03-21-2016, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by MTK

Everyone has an opinion and they aren't afraid to voice it. Problem is more often than not it's a completely uninformed one, anyone that can read a headline suddenly is an expert on the matter.

agree. There also seems to the be less middle ground on issues, because if your not "all in" then you criticized on both sides. your an apologist, on the side you may "lean" towards....and then your "hitler, racist, bigot, satan, sexist, anti-, etc" to the opposite.

critical thinking is not acceptable...you better get in line

MTK · 03-21-2016, 12:36 PM

Get in line or get smacked apparently lol

Chico23231 · 03-21-2016, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by MTK

Get in line or get smacked apparently lol

Trump could address and stop the violence...he's not.

Its like a WWE wrestling match...Trump is Vince McMahon, a promoter.

His supporters don't want him to talk issues and substantive plans....they just want him to verbal bitch slap someone and see someone get DDT'd at a rally.

JoeRedskin · 03-21-2016, 01:36 PM

All the thuggery and inherent violence at these rallies just strike me as tactics used by the communists, brown-shirts and black-shirts in 1920's - 30's Germany. By both sides - those disrupting the rallies as well as those suppressing the disruptions. All of it is contrary to the underlying principle of the 1st Amendment and the concept of free speech - "I may not agree with what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

[My caveat to this is that I am only speaking of the folks interrupting the rallies and shouting down speakers as they carry out the assembly, not those who protest them outside and engage peacefully while allowing others to speak freely]

Those disrupting the rallies are trying to prohibit or at least inhibit the ability of Trump supporters to gather in peaceful assembly and speak their minds. You may not agree with it, but, if they have a permit and are not fomenting immediate armed revolution, they can pretty much say whatever they want. If you want to disrupt that, interrupt that, or otherwise limit them from doing so by shouting, interrupting, or preventing them from speaking, you are acting in a manner that I believe is contrary to the principles of free speech (even if you personally are not violating the First Amendment which only prohibits the govt. from limiting speech).

However, the appropriate response is to have the authorities escort folks outside, away from the lawful gathering, where they can peacefully protest the message to their hearts content. It is not to beat the crap out of them. That's vigilantism, thuggism, taking-the-law-into-your-own-hands-ism. It is also precisely the tactics used by groups seeking to subvert the rule of law in Europe during the inter-war years.

In a democratic society where we supposedly value free speech, neither those disrupting the actual rallies or those attempting to violently suppress the disruptions have a claim to the moral high ground.

To those disrupting the rallies as they occur - take your protest someplace else don't seek confrontation as a way of preventing people whose message you don't like from speaking.

To those acting violently, threatening violence, encouraging violence or tacitly approving violence as a means for shutting down disruptive protests, just stop. You have no right to do so. None. It is criminal thuggery and reminiscent of evil times.

Both sides scream "free speech" but have no desire to engage in the political discourse it was meant to protect. People just want the freedom to scream hate at each other.

Sorry, just my rant.

over the mountain · 03-21-2016, 01:46 PM

Im not a fan of Trump but I think 99% of what he is saying is done for the sole purpose of winning over the angry red meat portion of this country. If trump for some god awful reason actually won the presidency .. Id bet he would be more liberal than Hillary.

The power of branding and social media is huge right now.

All these seminars I go to all say the same thing - to win people over, spoon feed them with simple thoughts. If you cant put it on a bumper sticker, you have not reduced it to its simplest most elementary level. If you speak in very simple terms and very simple thoughts, the human brain accepts what is said as true and stays on auto pilot.

The minute you start using big words or require a listener's brain to link thoughts together to arrive at a not-simple thought, that is the minute you have just awoken the listener's brain and now that brain will critically question everything you will say .. and if what you are now saying is not consistent with the listener's pre-established thought board ... you are in trouble, you have now lost the listener.

You have to know your audience. Then you have to stay on code.

Trump is just repeating red meat bumper sticker thoughts and sleep walking a large portion of republicans who hate RINOs. His new bumper sticker the past few weeks has been "you're so PC". I dont even know if Trump has a platform idea outside "build a wall". It doesnt matter. He stays on code as someone outside the establishment and he wins every voter who hates the government. His supporters literally wear tin foil hats.

Cruz is trying to to appeal to the slightly more awake republican voters by staying on code re. "the war against christianity", "the war against life (abortion)" and "the war against the 2A". He is just a layer or two less simple then trump.

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amazing, you can win an election just on a clever hashtag alone.

Giantone · 03-21-2016, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Chico23231

Trump could address and stop the violence...he's not.

Its like a WWE wrestling match...Trump is Vince McMahon, a promoter.

His supporters don't want him to talk issues and substantive plans....they just want him to verbal bitch slap someone and see someone get DDT'd at a rally.

This , this is what scares me about Trump , he has no idea , not a clue!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lq6UtGcGPLM

MTK · 03-21-2016, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by over the mountain

Im not a fan of Trump but I think 99% of what he is saying is done for the sole purpose of winning over the angry red meat portion of this country. If trump for some god awful reason actually won the presidency .. Id bet he would be more liberal than Hillary.

The power of branding and social media is huge right now.

All these seminars I go to all say the same thing - to win people over, spoon feed them with simple thoughts. If you cant put it on a bumper sticker, you have not reduced it to its simplest most elementary level. If you speak in very simple terms and very simple thoughts, the human brain accepts what is said as true and stays on auto pilot.

The minute you start using big words or require a listener's brain to link thoughts together to arrive at a not-simple thought, that is the minute you have just awoken the listener's brain and now that brain will critically question everything you will say .. and if what you are now saying is not consistent with the listener's pre-established thought board ... you are in trouble, you have now lost the listener.

You have to know your audience. Then you have to stay on code.

Trump is just repeating red meat bumper sticker thoughts and sleep walking a large portion of republicans who hate RINOs. His new bumper sticker the past few weeks has been "you're so PC". I dont even know if Trump has a platform idea outside "build a wall". It doesnt matter. He stays on code as someone outside the establishment and he wins every voter who hates the government. His supporters literally wear tin foil hats.

Cruz is trying to to appeal to the slightly more awake republican voters by staying on code re. "the war against christianity", "the war against life (abortion)" and "the war against the 2A". He is just a layer or two less simple then trump.

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amazing, you can win an election just on a clever hashtag alone.

Yeah he's definitely hitting on lowest common denominator stuff, especially with those that are a little challenged in the critical thinking arena. Racism, xenophobia, sexism, lashing out at "disrupters" with violence (but then claiming no responsibility when the shit hits the fan like he asks for).

We're gonna build a wall, we're going to start winning again, we need to make great deals, honestly WTF does this shit even mean when it comes to running the country? I've heard more insightful platforms from children running for class president.

The Republicans are in full on panic mode now...

Republican Leaders Map a Strategy to Derail Donald Trump

CRedskinsRule · 03-21-2016, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by MTK

Yeah he's definitely hitting on lowest common denominator stuff, especially with those that are a little challenged in the critical thinking arena. Racism, xenophobia, sexism, lashing out at "disrupters" with violence (but then claiming no responsibility when the shit hits the fan like he asks for).

We're gonna build a wall, we're going to start winning again, we need to make great deals, honestly WTF does this shit even mean when it comes to running the country? I've heard more insightful platforms from children running for class president.

The Republicans are in full on panic mode now...

Republican Leaders Map a Strategy to Derail Donald Trump

As a former republican - now more libertarian - it's good to see the Republican party get shaken up. There needs to be debate within that party as to why Trump has gotten so much support from those who would generally be Republican. They need to reflect internally and figure out why the Tea Party, and Trump have gained so much traction.

As to this year's presidential campaign, if it ends up being Trump against Hillary we may see the roughest, dirtiest campaign since Lincoln's. And if I am being honest, I'm ok with that. Britain has some vicious elections campaigns, but guess what, the system survives. The call for playing nice rings hollow as Hillary makes bitter attacks couched in political correct jargon.

JoeRedskin · 03-22-2016, 12:36 PM

It will be Trump v. Hillary and the ultimate loser will be the Constitution. Each has, in their own way, made it clear - foundational document be damned - they will do what they will and, if you oppose them, you are either stupid or un-American.

<In my Treasure of Sierra Madre bandit voice> "Constitution?! We don't need no stinkin' Constitution!"

NC_Skins · 03-30-2016, 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by over the mountain

amazing, you can win an election just on a clever hashtag alone.

over the mountain · 03-30-2016, 03:06 PM

15 year old girl protests at a Trump rally.

15 year old girl starts yelling at a guy she claims touched her chest.

15 year old girl throws a light punch after trump supporters seem to enjoy the notion that some inappropriately touched her

15 year old is sprayed in the face w mace

Trump supporters revel in their awesomeness

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Reading the comments form blaze is just blood boiling. Dude, its a 15 year old girl, she probably did get touched inappropriately from her immediate reaction and a light punch doesnt deserve mace in the face.

VIDEO: Teen Protester Claims She Was Groped at Trump Rally Before She Threw a Punch and Got a Face Full of Pepper Spray | Video | TheBlaze.com

Oldgamewarden -Mar. 30, 2016 at 9:51am
Pepper spray is liquid fire. I guarantee you it ruined her day. Awesome!

Sapper-7 -Mar. 30, 2016 at 9:59am
You all mostly mirrored my thoughts, cheeseburger butt, 15 year old, lying liberal, throwing punches, forced to cry through chemical reaction, oh ! the humanity !!!

tp517 -Mar. 30, 2016 at 9:42am
Nice shot! Right in the kisser.

03-21-2016, 10:44 AM	#363
Schneed10 A Dude Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Newtown Square, PA Age: 44 Posts: 12,416	Re: Republican nominee for President Hog just stop. Your argument makes no sense. Just bite the bullet and move on. You can't dig out of a hole by continuing to dig. __________________ God made certain people to play football. He was one of them.

03-21-2016, 12:36 PM	#366
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 51 Posts: 99,362	Re: Republican nominee for President Get in line or get smacked apparently lol __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

03-21-2016, 01:36 PM	#368
JoeRedskin Contains football related knowledge Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Second Star On The Right Age: 61 Posts: 10,401	Re: Republican nominee for President All the thuggery and inherent violence at these rallies just strike me as tactics used by the communists, brown-shirts and black-shirts in 1920's - 30's Germany. By both sides - those disrupting the rallies as well as those suppressing the disruptions. All of it is contrary to the underlying principle of the 1st Amendment and the concept of free speech - "I may not agree with what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it." [My caveat to this is that I am only speaking of the folks interrupting the rallies and shouting down speakers as they carry out the assembly, not those who protest them outside and engage peacefully while allowing others to speak freely] Those disrupting the rallies are trying to prohibit or at least inhibit the ability of Trump supporters to gather in peaceful assembly and speak their minds. You may not agree with it, but, if they have a permit and are not fomenting immediate armed revolution, they can pretty much say whatever they want. If you want to disrupt that, interrupt that, or otherwise limit them from doing so by shouting, interrupting, or preventing them from speaking, you are acting in a manner that I believe is contrary to the principles of free speech (even if you personally are not violating the First Amendment which only prohibits the govt. from limiting speech). However, the appropriate response is to have the authorities escort folks outside, away from the lawful gathering, where they can peacefully protest the message to their hearts content. It is not to beat the crap out of them. That's vigilantism, thuggism, taking-the-law-into-your-own-hands-ism. It is also precisely the tactics used by groups seeking to subvert the rule of law in Europe during the inter-war years. In a democratic society where we supposedly value free speech, neither those disrupting the actual rallies or those attempting to violently suppress the disruptions have a claim to the moral high ground. To those disrupting the rallies as they occur - take your protest someplace else don't seek confrontation as a way of preventing people whose message you don't like from speaking. To those acting violently, threatening violence, encouraging violence or tacitly approving violence as a means for shutting down disruptive protests, just stop. You have no right to do so. None. It is criminal thuggery and reminiscent of evil times. Both sides scream "free speech" but have no desire to engage in the political discourse it was meant to protect. People just want the freedom to scream hate at each other. Sorry, just my rant. __________________ Strap it up, hold onto the ball, and let’s go.

03-21-2016, 01:46 PM	#369
over the mountain Playmaker Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: close to the edge Posts: 4,926	Re: Republican nominee for President Im not a fan of Trump but I think 99% of what he is saying is done for the sole purpose of winning over the angry red meat portion of this country. If trump for some god awful reason actually won the presidency .. Id bet he would be more liberal than Hillary. The power of branding and social media is huge right now. All these seminars I go to all say the same thing - to win people over, spoon feed them with simple thoughts. If you cant put it on a bumper sticker, you have not reduced it to its simplest most elementary level. If you speak in very simple terms and very simple thoughts, the human brain accepts what is said as true and stays on auto pilot. The minute you start using big words or require a listener's brain to link thoughts together to arrive at a not-simple thought, that is the minute you have just awoken the listener's brain and now that brain will critically question everything you will say .. and if what you are now saying is not consistent with the listener's pre-established thought board ... you are in trouble, you have now lost the listener. You have to know your audience. Then you have to stay on code. Trump is just repeating red meat bumper sticker thoughts and sleep walking a large portion of republicans who hate RINOs. His new bumper sticker the past few weeks has been "you're so PC". I dont even know if Trump has a platform idea outside "build a wall". It doesnt matter. He stays on code as someone outside the establishment and he wins every voter who hates the government. His supporters literally wear tin foil hats. Cruz is trying to to appeal to the slightly more awake republican voters by staying on code re. "the war against christianity", "the war against life (abortion)" and "the war against the 2A". He is just a layer or two less simple then trump. ------ amazing, you can win an election just on a clever hashtag alone. __________________ Life is brutal, but beautiful

03-22-2016, 12:36 PM	#373
JoeRedskin Contains football related knowledge Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Second Star On The Right Age: 61 Posts: 10,401	Re: Republican nominee for President It will be Trump v. Hillary and the ultimate loser will be the Constitution. Each has, in their own way, made it clear - foundational document be damned - they will do what they will and, if you oppose them, you are either stupid or un-American. <In my Treasure of Sierra Madre bandit voice> "Constitution?! We don't need no stinkin' Constitution!" __________________ Strap it up, hold onto the ball, and let’s go. Last edited by JoeRedskin; 03-22-2016 at 01:02 PM.

03-30-2016, 03:06 PM	#375
over the mountain Playmaker Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: close to the edge Posts: 4,926	Re: Republican nominee for President 15 year old girl protests at a Trump rally. 15 year old girl starts yelling at a guy she claims touched her chest. 15 year old girl throws a light punch after trump supporters seem to enjoy the notion that some inappropriately touched her 15 year old is sprayed in the face w mace Trump supporters revel in their awesomeness --------------------------- Reading the comments form blaze is just blood boiling. Dude, its a 15 year old girl, she probably did get touched inappropriately from her immediate reaction and a light punch doesnt deserve mace in the face. VIDEO: Teen Protester Claims She Was Groped at Trump Rally Before She Threw a Punch and Got a Face Full of Pepper Spray \| Video \| TheBlaze.com Oldgamewarden -Mar. 30, 2016 at 9:51am Pepper spray is liquid fire. I guarantee you it ruined her day. Awesome! Sapper-7 -Mar. 30, 2016 at 9:59am You all mostly mirrored my thoughts, cheeseburger butt, 15 year old, lying liberal, throwing punches, forced to cry through chemical reaction, oh ! the humanity !!! tp517 -Mar. 30, 2016 at 9:42am Nice shot! Right in the kisser. __________________ Life is brutal, but beautiful

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