Day 3 thread rounds 4-7

[5superbowls3wins]

I think if Phil Taylor gets healthy he’s the starting NT


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[KI Skins Fan]

Here are the PFF player performance grades of our draft class. All of them have good grades. Check out the PFF grade on our so-called "Mr. Irrelevant".

1 (13) Da’Ron Payne, DI, Alabama, 87.7
2 (59) Derrius Guice, RB, LSU, 85.1
3 (74) Geron Christian, OT, Louisville, 84.9
4 (109) Troy Apke, S, Penn State, 82.5
5 (163) Tim Settle, DI, Virginia Tech, 86.0
6 (197) Shaun Dion Hamilton, LB, Alabama, 82.6
7 (241) Greg Stroman, CB, Virginia Tech, 84.4
7 (256) Trey Quinn, WR, SMU, 91.1

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by 5superbowls3wins

I think if Phil Taylor gets healthy he’s the starting NT


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You could be right about that. He looked great before he was injured. I like the idea of adding Taylor, Payne, and Settle to our run defense.

[5superbowls3wins]

It been a proven fact in the NFL, the stronger your front line is the better the secondary looks. You have a pro bowl front and it makes good-mediocre Guys in the secondary look like all stars as well


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[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

Here are the PFF player performance grades of our draft class. All of them have good grades. Check out the PFF grade on our so-called "Mr. Irrelevant".

1 (13) Da’Ron Payne, DI, Alabama, 87.7
2 (59) Derrius Guice, RB, LSU, 85.1
3 (74) Geron Christian, OT, Louisville, 84.9
4 (109) Troy Apke, S, Penn State, 82.5
5 (163) Tim Settle, DI, Virginia Tech, 86.0
6 (197) Shaun Dion Hamilton, LB, Alabama, 82.6
7 (241) Greg Stroman, CB, Virginia Tech, 84.4
7 (256) Trey Quinn, WR, SMU, 91.1

Wow, don't know how all of this will translate into the NFL, but that sure is exciting!

EDIT: found the link, we're the only team whose all draft picks are rated above 80 !!!
https://www.profootballfocus.com/new...l-draft-grades

[MTK]

Originally Posted by 5superbowls3wins

I think if Phil Taylor gets healthy he’s the starting NT


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Hard to see him even making the team now.

The starters are Allen, Payne and Ioannidis. On the bench it’s Lanier, Settle and... 6th and final spot up for grabs. I’d put my money on Hood because of his versatility and the coaches love him.

[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by MTK

Hard to see him even making the team now.

The starters are Allen, Payne and Ioannidis. On the bench it’s Lanier, Settle and... 6th and final spot up for grabs. I’d put my money on Hood because of his versatility and the coaches love him.

Yeah, it will be him and McGee for the final spot. I would imagine they keep McGee as he can play either DT spot. Settle, Payne, and Ionnidis can all rotate in at NT as well as DT.

It's nice having lots of options now.

[calia]

I am hoping someone might start a Thread on our undrafted free agent signings. I am having trouble finding intel on them.


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[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by 5superbowls3wins

I think if Phil Taylor gets healthy he’s the starting NT


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I cant even see him making the team

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by FrenchSkin

Wow, don't know how all of this will translate into the NFL, but that sure is exciting!

EDIT: found the link, we're the only team whose all draft picks are rated above 80 !!!
https://www.profootballfocus.com/new...l-draft-grades

PFF Grading is based on a bunch of different things, they can be somewhat generous at times.

[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

PFF Grading is based on a bunch of different things, they can be somewhat generous at times.

Yeah, I'm aware that even their NFL players grades aren't 100% accurate, and have no idea how much tape they watched on college players, nor if the grades are somehow influenced by the level of teams and players they played against... Which is a pretty big bias.

So it's hard to know how it will translate in the NFL, still it's good to know a team of people with good football knowledge, after spending time watching films, think our scouting department was right on point !

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by FrenchSkin

Yeah, I'm aware that even their NFL players grades aren't 100% accurate, and have no idea how much tape they watched on college players, nor if the grades are somehow influenced by the level of teams and players they played against... Which is a pretty big bias.

So it's hard to know how it will translate in the NFL, still it's good to know a team of people with good football knowledge, after spending time watching films, think our scouting department was right on point !

I think we had a good draft, and like we have seen in the past with Bruce, he does draft good players. I'm pumped about this season.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Love the settle pick. He’s gonna be our starting nose and Payne can play outside now. No ones going to run on us.


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Well .... let's not get ahead of ourselves. Rookies gonna rookie.

One of the reasons he slipped was due to his motivation and energy being questioned. In college, it's easy for big, heavy linemen to look good just b/c they just push guys around due to their weight or b/c they can't be pushed around due to their weight. To make it as a NT at the next level, guys need to really be able to play to their weight. Otherwise, they will get shoved around.

As a side note, whenever I watch college or CFL games, it is striking to me how noticeable the difference is between them and the NFL. All the windows - running lanes, coverage openings, routes to the QB for pass-rushers, etc - are all much, much smaller at the pro level. The game is just so much faster in the NFL that tenths of a second make or break almost every play. In addition, lineman aren't just "big guys"; they are big, strong, athletic guys. It's why I have such a hard time with the draft, so many of these guys look great in college but simply can't run with the pros.

[Irrefutable]

Originally Posted by calia

I am hoping someone might start a Thread on our undrafted free agent signings. I am having trouble finding intel on them.


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There are 3 offensive linemen who have a chance to make the team/practice squad and WR Cobb

https://www.hogshaven.com/2018/4/28/...edskins-rumors

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Well .... let's not get ahead of ourselves. Rookies gonna rookie.

One of the reasons he slipped was due to his motivation and energy being questioned. In college, it's easy for big, heavy linemen to look good just b/c they just push guys around due to their weight or b/c they can't be pushed around due to their weight. To make it as a NT at the next level, guys need to really be able to play to their weight. Otherwise, they will get shoved around.

As a side note, whenever I watch college or CFL games, it is striking to me how noticeable the difference is between them and the NFL. All the windows - running lanes, coverage openings, routes to the QB for pass-rushers, etc - are all much, much smaller at the pro level. The game is just so much faster in the NFL that tenths of a second make or break almost every play. In addition, lineman aren't just "big guys"; they are big, strong, athletic guys. It's why I have such a hard time with the draft, so many of these guys look great in college but simply can't run with the pros.

Watching Guice highlights I was thinking the same thing. I love the pick, but it amazed me how often there was a huge lane for Guice that I could have made it halfway through. That said, I can't wait to see Scherff bulldozing a LB to clear the way for Guice.

This top ten video of Guice is fun to watch, but also shows those running lanes:


Watch the hit he puts on a defender at 3:30. The guy goes off his feet and flies backward.