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View Poll Results: Who is your eye on in Training Camp (can select multiple)
Alex Smith 15 39.47%
Darrius Guice 23 60.53%
Jordan Reed 10 26.32%
Da'Ron Payne 10 26.32%
Other 5 13.16%
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Old 08-30-2018, 10:44 PM   #481
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FYI..... Tyler Catalina had surgery, he is out for the season. They need to trade for a 2nd team OL.....a late pick for someone who will be cut
If they are gonna be cut, why would they trade for him?
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Old 08-30-2018, 10:51 PM   #482
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If they are gonna be cut, why would they trade for him?
Because there are several other teams that have an opportunity to claim the player before the Redskins
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Because there are several other teams that have an opportunity to claim the player before the Redskins
Seems pointless to trade for someone
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Old 08-31-2018, 03:29 AM   #484
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Seems pointless to trade for someone
I'd take giving a 6th or 7th 2020 pick for the insurance of having a decent back up on the interior of our line.

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Old 08-31-2018, 07:53 AM   #485
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I'd take giving a 6th or 7th 2020 pick for the insurance of having a decent back up on the interior of our line.

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Me, too. The Skins have enough talent to win this season so they need to do whatever they can, within reason, to plug any holes. I trust Doug Williams to make the right moves Also, I think Jay Gruden's job may be on the line this season, so Doug Williams and Bruce Allen will want to give him a fair chance to achieve the goals the Big Boss has set for his team.

BTW, it may not even cost as much as you suggest. They might be able to just swap picks to avoid losing a player they want to a waiver claim.
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Old 08-31-2018, 08:04 AM   #486
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Catalina probably wasn't making the team anyway
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Old 08-31-2018, 08:28 AM   #487
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The strategy of developing udfa has interior Oline depth has been a failure.

Time to go find a legitimate Guard before Luavo gets injured.
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Old 08-31-2018, 11:04 AM   #488
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The strategy of developing udfa has interior Oline depth has been a failure.

Time to go find a legitimate Guard before Luavo gets injured.
You are spot on.
We really needed bring in a LG with our 3rd round pick.
Christian could turn into a great player down the road but I have a feeling we might need a solid LG by week 8.

Gruden is constantly trying to turn chicken shit into chicken salad and it's not working out.
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You are spot on.
We really needed bring in a LG with our 3rd round pick.
Christian could turn into a great player down the road but I have a feeling we might need a solid LG by week 8.

Gruden is constantly trying to turn chicken shit into chicken salad and it's not working out.
Agree. It's a little frustrating because we've currently got $14.5M in cap space this year.

I understand we're leaving room for carry over to accommodate resigning some of our important guys, but still.
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Agree. It's a little frustrating because we've currently got $14.5M in cap space this year.

I understand we're leaving room for carry over to accommodate resigning some of our important guys, but still.
I'm surprised by your frustation, Given the injury bug last year and so many players returning from injury, I think you leave extra to cover the possibility of some sizeable IR related additions, and then as you mentioned the need to sign guys next year.

We could have used the money I am sure, but this FO has tended to be very disciplined in leaving a portion of the cap available.
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I'm surprised by your frustation, Given the injury bug last year and so many players returning from injury, I think you leave extra to cover the possibility of some sizeable IR related additions, and then as you mentioned the need to sign guys next year.

We could have used the money I am sure, but this FO has tended to be very disciplined in leaving a portion of the cap available.
I'd contend that too much is left available.

Point 1 - signing free agents off the street once Week 1 has passed results in nothing but vet minimum guys being available. It's not like you're going to find a G right now on the street who is worth $2.0M. So you go into the year with $14.5M in cap space, and you start experiencing injuries, and you start signing available players to replace them at the market rate: vet minimum. Let's call that $700K on average.

$14.5M divided by $700K is 20 players. And that's if you signed them ALL on Week 1. Reality is your injuries will happen throughout the season, meaning on average the replacement guys you sign will spend an average of 8 weeks on the team, not 16 weeks. So prorate the $700K salary down to a $350K salary. That's 40 players you could sign. I don't care how bad your injury situation gets, you don't need $14.5M set aside for injuries. You could have easily spent $2.0M to get a decent swing G back in free agency, and still have $12.5M leftover.

Further, when you look at available cap space by team, the Skins have the 11th most available. 7 of those teams have just flat mismanaged their cap and are just carrying way too much space either because they're small market or aren't attracting talent: Browns 61M, Colts 51M, 49ers 43M, Texans 32M, Titans 29M, Bears 24M, Jets 21M.

So our 14.5M in space isn't quite that bad, but I wouldn't want to compare myself to those organizations for the most part. The better organizations have less space (Patriots $10M, Eagles $5M, Packers $11M, Chiefs $9.7M, Falcons $9M, Vikings $8M, Steelers $3M).

You want to leave space to cover replacements for injuries, sure. But when you have a major need to back up Lauvao with a capable player, I think you're delinquent to leave $14.5M unused. I wouldn't want to be the Steelers with only $3M to play with, but other high performing organizations don't feel the need to carry as much as $14.5M.

Use your resources. Stop trying to make chicken salad out of chicken shit. They're either too shell shocked over their injury situation from a year ago, or Bruce is being a chintz.
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Luavo will 100% be hurt by week 4. They're just trying to survive and get by at LG. When he goes down Trent could move over to LG and Ty LT. That would give us the best 5 guys. Jacoby did it and did it very well.
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Luavo will 100% be hurt by week 4. They're just trying to survive and get by at LG. When he goes down Trent could move over to LG and Ty LT. That would give us the best 5 guys. Jacoby did it and did it very well.
Ty would prob go inside, they said he's worked there before.
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I'd contend that too much is left available.

Point 1 - signing free agents off the street once Week 1 has passed results in nothing but vet minimum guys being available. It's not like you're going to find a G right now on the street who is worth $2.0M. So you go into the year with $14.5M in cap space, and you start experiencing injuries, and you start signing available players to replace them at the market rate: vet minimum. Let's call that $700K on average.

$14.5M divided by $700K is 20 players. And that's if you signed them ALL on Week 1. Reality is your injuries will happen throughout the season, meaning on average the replacement guys you sign will spend an average of 8 weeks on the team, not 16 weeks. So prorate the $700K salary down to a $350K salary. That's 40 players you could sign. I don't care how bad your injury situation gets, you don't need $14.5M set aside for injuries. You could have easily spent $2.0M to get a decent swing G back in free agency, and still have $12.5M leftover.

Further, when you look at available cap space by team, the Skins have the 11th most available. 7 of those teams have just flat mismanaged their cap and are just carrying way too much space either because they're small market or aren't attracting talent: Browns 61M, Colts 51M, 49ers 43M, Texans 32M, Titans 29M, Bears 24M, Jets 21M.

So our 14.5M in space isn't quite that bad, but I wouldn't want to compare myself to those organizations for the most part. The better organizations have less space (Patriots $10M, Eagles $5M, Packers $11M, Chiefs $9.7M, Falcons $9M, Vikings $8M, Steelers $3M).

You want to leave space to cover replacements for injuries, sure. But when you have a major need to back up Lauvao with a capable player, I think you're delinquent to leave $14.5M unused. I wouldn't want to be the Steelers with only $3M to play with, but other high performing organizations don't feel the need to carry as much as $14.5M.

Use your resources. Stop trying to make chicken salad out of chicken shit. They're either too shell shocked over their injury situation from a year ago, or Bruce is being a chintz.
Thanks for the breakdown, I knew IR added, but wasn't really sure how much total. I tend to think it's a combination of shell shock and trying to disprove the bigspender moniker by being a chintz.
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I'd contend that too much is left available.

Point 1 - signing free agents off the street once Week 1 has passed results in nothing but vet minimum guys being available. It's not like you're going to find a G right now on the street who is worth $2.0M. So you go into the year with $14.5M in cap space, and you start experiencing injuries, and you start signing available players to replace them at the market rate: vet minimum. Let's call that $700K on average.

$14.5M divided by $700K is 20 players. And that's if you signed them ALL on Week 1. Reality is your injuries will happen throughout the season, meaning on average the replacement guys you sign will spend an average of 8 weeks on the team, not 16 weeks. So prorate the $700K salary down to a $350K salary. That's 40 players you could sign. I don't care how bad your injury situation gets, you don't need $14.5M set aside for injuries. You could have easily spent $2.0M to get a decent swing G back in free agency, and still have $12.5M leftover.

Further, when you look at available cap space by team, the Skins have the 11th most available. 7 of those teams have just flat mismanaged their cap and are just carrying way too much space either because they're small market or aren't attracting talent: Browns 61M, Colts 51M, 49ers 43M, Texans 32M, Titans 29M, Bears 24M, Jets 21M.

So our 14.5M in space isn't quite that bad, but I wouldn't want to compare myself to those organizations for the most part. The better organizations have less space (Patriots $10M, Eagles $5M, Packers $11M, Chiefs $9.7M, Falcons $9M, Vikings $8M, Steelers $3M).

You want to leave space to cover replacements for injuries, sure. But when you have a major need to back up Lauvao with a capable player, I think you're delinquent to leave $14.5M unused. I wouldn't want to be the Steelers with only $3M to play with, but other high performing organizations don't feel the need to carry as much as $14.5M.

Use your resources. Stop trying to make chicken salad out of chicken shit. They're either too shell shocked over their injury situation from a year ago, or Bruce is being a chintz.
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