Battle of the bad GM's

[skinsfan69]

Also the thing w/ the salary cap happened under Bruce. I mean he is just a dummy. If it wasn't for his last name there's no way he'd be working in the NFL.

On a side note his brother is a total piece of shit racist asshole.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Also the thing w/ the salary cap happened under Bruce. I mean he is just a dummy. If it wasn't for his last name there's no way he'd be working in the NFL.

On a side note his brother is a total piece of shit racist asshole.

I'll put a lot of shit on Bruce Allen but the salary cap penalty was not one of them. We were one of a handful of teams that did that, the Packers were also one of the other teams that moved a big chunk of money, and we/the Cowboys were the only teams penalized because Mara was head of the committee.

"Spirit of the salary cap" what an absolute crock of shit that was. Mara can still suck a big ol' bag of dicks for that one.

[DYoungJelly]

Originally Posted by mooby

I'll put a lot of shit on Bruce Allen but the salary cap penalty was not one of them. We were one of a handful of teams that did that, the Packers were also one of the other teams that moved a big chunk of money, and we/the Cowboys were the only teams penalized because Mara was head of the committee.



"Spirit of the salary cap" what an absolute crock of shit that was. Mara can still suck a big ol' bag of dicks for that one.

100% right on. Screw job by Mara.

Dan and Jerrah should have sued which would have opened up collusion litigation by the PA.

The league would have folded because they would have had to take a position which would be an admission to one or the other suit.

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[httr198020]

Really I can't choose. Both of them sorry as shit. For right now I'll go with Allen since he's still here.

[NC_Skins]

Have we hit bottom of the barrel when we are choosing between which shit sandwich tastes better?

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Have we hit bottom of the barrel when we are choosing between which shit sandwich tastes better?

One of them has barbecue sauce on it, I suppose.

[Ruhskins]

I know things are bad now, but honestly it seems a lot of people seem to not know or forgotten about how terrible things were under Vinny.

I think the reasons why things seem worst now is that we are further removed from any success the team had, social media brings a lot of dirt in the open, and the injuries. If Vinny was happening now, FedEx would have been burned down by fans by now.

[MTK]

Definitely some heavy recency bias going on here.


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[sevier2]

They're both terrible but have their pros and cons.

Vinny Cerrato

Pros: Brought in big name free-agents and got fans excited every off-season. That's all I got...

Cons: Big name free-agents hardly (seemingly never) panned out or made any impact. The guy just seemed unstable/in over his head and didn't inspire any confidence. Was a business guy and not a "football" guy. Had too much unwarranted control. Traded away our draft picks almost every year. Missed on most draft picks we had left.

Bruce Allen

Pros: Brought some stability and frugality back to the organization. Skins are no longer seen as a "final stop" destination for aging veterans to cash out and slack off the last few years of their career. Drafts have been better during his tenure, although I believe a lot of that is due to Gruden and some of the other guys in the Personnel department.

Cons: Sleazy executive type who doesn't handle business as a man should. Hides from the media when the outcome of each year is heavily influenced by his decisions. Losing record that wouldn't be tolerated most other places.

At the end of the day i'd go with Bruce if these were my only two options. He's terrible, yes, but I'm at least pleased with the fact that we're looked at as "Mis-managed" and not just a place to collect checks anymore. The ONE constant over the past 20 years though is not found in the Front Office, Coaching Staff, Training Staff, etc. It's the Owner. It's Dan Snyder. I know this isn't any shocking information but it's true. I do not trust him to hire a competent GM anymore. I don't think a competent GM would prefer to work here. Money always talks, and i'm sure we could lure one eventually, but my trust has been seriously shaken with this team. The closest thing we've had to a functional FO was with Scot M. running the football side and BA running the business side. Scot had his flaws, and Bruce was more involved with football than we realized. But THAT structure was our best chance to succeed. Bruce is a businessman, let him handle Business. Get somebody else to run our football team and leave him the eff alone.

[Ruhskins]

Again, you guys are being WAY too nice to Vinny. I'll just end my comments with that.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Again, you guys are being WAY too nice to Vinny. I'll just end my comments with that.

I agree. But to me what seems to be really bothersome about Bruce is his character...he actually seems to be a really shit person...and why would Snyder insist having a low character person run the org? Then he must be equally low character.

Vinny was bad, but I do not know if his character was ever in question like it is for Bruce.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

I agree. But to me what seems to be really bothersome about Bruce is his character...he actually seems to be a really shit person...and why would Snyder insist having a low character person run the org? Then he must be equally low character.

Vinny was bad, but I do not know if his character was ever in question like it is for Bruce.

Who the hell cares about character. Bill Belichick is a complete asshole, yet he's a hall of fame coach.

Again, I don't want people to think I'm defending Allen, he's shit and has done terrible things. But I hear people say "I give Vinny a pass" or "things weren't that bad" and I'm like, really? Do you truly remember the complete and utter shit show the team was during his tenure?

[metalskins]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Who the hell cares about character. Bill Belichick is a complete asshole, yet he's a hall of fame coach.

Again, I don't want people to think I'm defending Allen, he's shit and has done terrible things. But I hear people say "I give Vinny a pass" or "things weren't that bad" and I'm like, really? Do you truly remember the complete and utter shit show the team was during his tenure?

People develop short term memory. Vinny's tenure was at least AS bad as Bruce's tenure. It wasn't better at all. The only bright spot was having Joe Gibbs back for four seasons.

[RedskinJake]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Who the hell cares about character. Bill Belichick is a complete asshole, yet he's a hall of fame coach.

Again, I don't want people to think I'm defending Allen, he's shit and has done terrible things. But I hear people say "I give Vinny a pass" or "things weren't that bad" and I'm like, really? Do you truly remember the complete and utter shit show the team was during his tenure?

Being a complete asshole doesn't mean he lacks character. From what I've heard through the years Bill Belichick is tough but fair, demanding but within the confines of the skills each player brings to the organization etc. He has been willing to accept the blame when things go wrong. He's an asshole but he's an asshole for the right reasons ultimately. I'll take that any day over a scumbag who couldn't care less about the success of the organization so long as it feeds his ego and his pockets. That Dan Snyder can't see through that is a damning statement on his ability to lead and his desire to see the Washington Redskins become a top tier organization again.

I can only hope that Fred Smith is starting to get tired of this shit show and walks into Snyders office with the $800 million or so that it would take to buy the 25% or so he would need to move into the majority owner suite and send Danny home to enjoy being a minority owner of one of the best franchises to ever grace the NFL.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by RedskinJake

Being a complete asshole doesn't mean he lacks character. From what I've heard through the years Bill Belichick is tough but fair, demanding but within the confines of the skills each player brings to the organization etc. He has been willing to accept the blame when things go wrong. He's an asshole but he's an asshole for the right reasons ultimately. I'll take that any day over a scumbag who couldn't care less about the success of the organization so long as it feeds his ego and his pockets. That Dan Snyder can't see through that is a damning statement on his ability to lead and his desire to see the Washington Redskins become a top tier organization again.

I can only hope that Fred Smith is starting to get tired of this shit show and walks into Snyders office with the $800 million or so that it would take to buy the 25% or so he would need to move into the majority owner suite and send Danny home to enjoy being a minority owner of one of the best franchises to ever grace the NFL.

agree, good post