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Old 01-24-2020, 02:44 PM   #31
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Re: 3-4 vs. 4-3

with a fresh coordinator and scheme and a much better defensive mind this roster should crush it.
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Old 01-24-2020, 03:50 PM   #32
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Re: 3-4 vs. 4-3

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Are Sweat and/or Young going to play DE or OLB?



Would the line look like this?

DE Sweat, Young

DT Allen, Ioannidis, or Payne (with one of them on bench in base 43?)



Or more like this?

DE Allen, Ioannidis

DT Payne, Settle (with Sweat and Young at OLB?)



Or something in between?


I think the answer is simple. They’ll be defensive ends primarily. Del rio will have them with their hands in the dirt in every situation possible. He already made comments about guys who are best going after the qb need to be doing that as much as possible
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Old 01-24-2020, 03:52 PM   #33
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Re: 3-4 vs. 4-3

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Are Sweat and/or Young going to play DE or OLB?

Would the line look like this?
DE Sweat, Young
DT Allen, Ioannidis, or Payne (with one of them on bench in base 43?)

Or more like this?
DE Allen, Ioannidis
DT Payne, Settle (with Sweat and Young at OLB?)

Or something in between?
Rotation, situational substitution, resting players and keeping them fresh. Yes, yes, yes. For example I do not want Sweat on the field on an obvious run play. But a pass play he needs to be in there. With all of the talent we have and if we add Young and keep Kerrigan, this front seven will be much improved.
But the greatest room for improvement and will hopefully be most notable on the field is what Meks is saying, we FINALLY have a defensive coaching staff that knows what they are doing. Our coaches have been so bad for so long.
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Old 01-25-2020, 12:24 AM   #34
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Re: 3-4 vs. 4-3

Sweat, Young at DE, Kerrigan (for the right price) McKinzy

Payne, Settle inside or Allen, Ionnadis, any combo would do, serious fucking talent and beef here.

LB’s Holcomb, Anderson (move him inside) Foster when recovers, SDH, Bostic if he stays.

This group with Del Rio could be as effective, if not more dominant than SF. They’ve underachieve and it’s time to kick some serious ass.

Get Chase!!
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Old 01-25-2020, 09:14 AM   #35
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Sweat, Young at DE, Kerrigan (for the right price) McKinzy

Payne, Settle inside or Allen, Ionnadis, any combo would do, serious fucking talent and beef here.

LB’s Holcomb, Anderson (move him inside) Foster when recovers, SDH, Bostic if he stays.

This group with Del Rio could be as effective, if not more dominant than SF. They’ve underachieve and it’s time to kick some serious ass.

Get Chase!!
+1

Also means that barring BPA being an LB, we can spend a pick or 2 on the secondary and still have picks for the OL and TE. Or better still, go after a good S and/or CB (Jones?) in FA and spend the rest on O/BPA.
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Old 01-25-2020, 11:54 AM   #36
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Also means that barring BPA being an LB, we can spend a pick or 2 on the secondary and still have picks for the OL and TE. Or better still, go after a good S and/or CB (Jones?) in FA and spend the rest on O/BPA.


Improving the FS spot will be key too. With fewer LBs in coverage, the importance of someone at the S position with range is higher and that’s a big need.


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Re: 3-4 vs. 4-3

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Are Sweat and/or Young going to play DE or OLB?

Would the line look like this?
DE Sweat, Young
DT Allen, Ioannidis, or Payne (with one of them on bench in base 43?)

Or more like this?
DE Allen, Ioannidis
DT Payne, Settle (with Sweat and Young at OLB?)

Or something in between?
Sweat and Young at DE
Payne, Allen, Ionnadis, and Settle at DT

Kerrigan at DE too but we will see what we do with him
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Old 02-29-2020, 03:23 PM   #38
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Re: 3-4 vs. 4-3

This is a great breakdown of the 4-3 defense.
https://youtu.be/DnjySDZJLlc

https://youtu.be/lbIX-Exm1xQ

For the longest time I didn't know what 0,1, 2, 3, etc, etc tech and A, B, C, etc gap meant. Thanks to this video I now have some idea. Plus the creator is a legit Skins fan so that's morw reason to show the content and it's creator some love.
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Old 03-02-2020, 11:25 AM   #39
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with a fresh coordinator and scheme and a much better defensive mind this roster should crush it.
Maybe im in a debbie downer mood ... but im starting to think Payne and Allen are just really good players and not great not elite. I really like them but we did spend 2 1st R on them (passed up on Derwin James) and when it comes to contract talks ... are we going to have to pay these "really good" players elite type money in a year or two?
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Maybe im in a debbie downer mood ... but im starting to think Payne and Allen are just really good players and not great not elite. I really like them but we did spend 2 1st R on them (passed up on Derwin James) and when it comes to contract talks ... are we going to have to pay these "really good" players elite type money in a year or two?
Gotta reset opinions now that they are with a competent DC. I think Payne played pretty damn well last year. Eager to see him as a 4-3 DT than the nose.
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Old 03-02-2020, 11:51 AM   #41
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Gotta reset opinions now that they are with a competent DC. I think Payne played pretty damn well last year. Eager to see him as a 4-3 DT than the nose.
yeah thats what Im telling myself .. but there were many times last year where payne or allen were just hat on hat with an O line guy and they didnt win the battle ... but then there were times when they did, or payne would shoot the gap like a freak of nature given his size.

Their goal line stands last year were amazing. Ive never seen a skins D line hold on goal line stands like they did.

Idk ... im starting to think neither will be all-pro and thats fine, they dont have to be ... but I was hoping for more than just really good. I was hoping for a Fletcher Cox out of one of them. Still early ..
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Old 03-02-2020, 12:23 PM   #42
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yeah thats what Im telling myself .. but there were many times last year where payne or allen were just hat on hat with an O line guy and they didnt win the battle ... but then there were times when they did, or payne would shoot the gap like a freak of nature given his size.

Their goal line stands last year were amazing. Ive never seen a skins D line hold on goal line stands like they did.

Idk ... im starting to think neither will be all-pro and thats fine, they dont have to be ... but I was hoping for more than just really good. I was hoping for a Fletcher Cox out of one of them. Still early ..
Del Rio said he noticed the players were often confused on the plays when he studied Redskins defense. Being confused about what you are supposed to do will impact your performance regardless of your talents/strength.. I believe we have to give the players a clean slate with new coaches - if they continue to perform same as they did before then we can start considering if it's worthwhile for Redskins to keep those players.
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Del Rio said he noticed the players were often confused on the plays when he studied Redskins defense. Being confused about what you are supposed to do will impact your performance regardless of your talents/strength.. I believe we have to give the players a clean slate with new coaches - if they continue to perform same as they did before then we can start considering if it's worthwhile for Redskins to keep those players.
I gotta double down on the debbie downer here, again.

New coaches come in and always identify what the past coaches were doing wrong and what new exciting ideas the new coach has for the unit. Id guess Manusky, barry Tosula all said the same word salad of "same page", "all in", "aggressive", "cohesive unit", "attacking", "accountability", "best position to win", "play to their strengths" etc

it is not lost on me that Im complaining about players "only being really good and not elite" ... or that they are still young and have improved each year.
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