Chargers and Norv

jsarno · 01-13-2008, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by BleedBurgundy

Are you referring to Bobby Beathard? Anyway, what I was trying to say is that the Chargers still have Marty's personality. That's still his team out there. Norv is the head coach, but that team carries Marty's imprint.

Sorry guys, you do not win two playoff games and especially the reigning SB champs that looked great all season if you're riding someone's coat tails. Maybe I could agree after beating the titans, but not the Colts. Give Norv some credit.

SmootSmack · 01-13-2008, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

They had another GM before AJ Smith took over, he had a great eye for talent and died a few years ago. I can't remember his name.

You're thinking of John Butler

SmootSmack · 01-13-2008, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsfan69

So the players had nothing to do with that huh? John Elway had nothing to do with that? How is Byner fumbling on the one yard line Marty's fault?? I just think that the whole Marty is a choker stuff is bullshit. The dude is a damn good coach. Norv is just a good OC. He is not a leader of men.

Alot of people can coach the Chargers. They are set up to win now.They have the best RB in the NFL. They have the best pass rusher. One of the best NT's. A solid o-line. Real good corners. And the AFC West sucked this year.

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WillH · 01-13-2008, 05:08 PM

I was not a fan of Norv while he was here, but I have to give him credit. It just makes you wonder . . . if Norv can win elsewhere then maybe the problem is here. Obviously our players during his stint were not nearly as good as the ones we have now, but still it is unbelievably frustrating. When will we ever be a dominant team again?

SmootSmack · 01-13-2008, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by jsarno

While I won't disagree, I will say that Norv's first stint as a head coach was with us, so there was plenty of learning to go around. Also, keep in mind that he led us to 4 winning records in 7 years (he was 7-6 in 2000 when he was fired). We were a doormat and he lifted us from that. No, he did not have what it took back then to get any better than that, and I do not for one second disagree with firing him, but that was a long time ago, and people can learn.

True, but what I'm saying is, from what I saw, he never led anything. The Redskins won despite him, and now the Chargers are as well. I mean I don't know how things are working in San Diego. But with the Redskihs, he was completely overmatched.

People do learn, no question. But I don't see still how he deserved to be given a third opportunity with a team already on the cusp of the SB when he arrived.

jsarno · 01-13-2008, 05:09 PM

Just an FYI, Norv this season has 2 playoff wins (and hopefully not done), Schott had 2 playoff wins in a season only 1 time in his entire career, and that was in 92 with KC.

Funny how people think so negative of Norv, but so highly of Schott when schott pissed off the vets like Darryl Green and Bruce Smith on a regular basis. There was practically a mutany cause schott was such a jerk. The entire team wanted him gone, yet some here think highly of him and not Norv??????

BleedBurgundy · 01-13-2008, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by jsarno

Sorry guys, you do not win two playoff games and especially the reigning SB champs that looked great all season if you're riding someone's coat tails. Maybe I could agree after beating the titans, but not the Colts. Give Norv some credit.

To echo a post I made earlier, if you use that logic, how do you explain Callahan's SB trip with the Raiders?

T.O.Killa · 01-13-2008, 05:10 PM

For the record, Marty is on of the best coaches out there. He made it to three AFC championship games and he built the Chargers. If they had let him stay here, he would have won a super bowl for us by now. Can somebody tell me who our who our QB was under Marty, I cant remember for the life of me.

BleedBurgundy · 01-13-2008, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by jsarno

Just an FYI, Norv this season has 2 playoff wins (and hopefully not done), Schott had 2 playoff wins in a season only 1 time in his entire career, and that was in 92 with KC.

Funny how people think so negative of Norv, but so highly of Schott when schott pissed off the vets like Darryl Green and Bruce Smith on a regular basis. There was practically a mutany cause schott was such a jerk. The entire team wanted him gone, yet some here think highly of him and not Norv??????

Those players were pissed because he wanted everyone to bust their ass all the time. He came in and didn't assume anything. He expected vets and rooks alike to "earn it." I think that is worthy of respect.

SmootSmack · 01-13-2008, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by T.O.Killa

For the record, Marty is on of the best coaches out there. He made it to three AFC championship games and he built the Chargers. If they had let him stay here, he would have won a super bowl for us by now. Can somebody tell me who our who our QB was under Marty, I cant remember for the life of me.

Tony Banks for at least half the season, I believe. Yeah that's right, Tony Banks

skinsguy · 01-13-2008, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by jsarno

Just an FYI, Norv this season has 2 playoff wins (and hopefully not done), Schott had 2 playoff wins in a season only 1 time in his entire career, and that was in 92 with KC.

Funny how people think so negative of Norv, but so highly of Schott when schott pissed off the vets like Darryl Green and Bruce Smith on a regular basis. There was practically a mutany cause schott was such a jerk. The entire team wanted him gone, yet some here think highly of him and not Norv??????

Marty Schottenheimer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You're forgetting what he did in Cleveland.

jsarno · 01-13-2008, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

True, but what I'm saying is, from what I saw, he never led anything. The Redskins won despite him, and now the Chargers are as well. I mean I don't know how things are working in San Diego. But with the Redskihs, he was completely overmatched.

People do learn, no question. But I don't see still how he deserved to be given a third opportunity with a team already on the cusp of the SB when he arrived.

Well, I definitely agree with you about the opportunity, but he's making the best of it. It wouldn't have been my choice at all, and I thought it was dumb to fire Marty just to bring in Norv. Obviously Norv is doing something right though, and I have not heard a single grumble out of SD about his leadership. Thus I feel he learned his lesson. There is no doubt that he's a great coordinator and QB coach, the question was about his ability to be a HC, and so far he's passing with flying colors.

SFREDSKIN · 01-13-2008, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsfan69

So the players had nothing to do with that huh? John Elway had nothing to do with that? How is Byner fumbling on the one yard line Marty's fault?? I just think that the whole Marty is a choker stuff is bullshit. The dude is a damn good coach. Norv is just a good OC. He is not a leader of men.

Alot of people can coach the Chargers. They are set up to win now.They have the best RB in the NFL. They have the best pass rusher. One of the best NT's. A solid o-line. Real good corners. And the AFC West sucked this year.

Wasn't you the one who said that coaches are overrated? You will never convince me that Marty is a great coach, he will be forever be remembered as a CHOKER to me and lots of fans till proven otherwise.

SmootSmack · 01-13-2008, 05:18 PM

This article is from earlier this year, and you could be right that he has improved jsarno. But this quote summarizes exactly what I was trying to say about what I saw of Norv while he was coaching the Redskins:

"Talk to Turner's former players, and this is what they'll tell you: Give the man one job, and he'll do that job well. But give him a big job with multiple responsibilities, and he gets anxious and scattered and has a hard time doing any one thing capably."

Charging toward disaster - NFL - Yahoo! Sports

jsarno · 01-13-2008, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsguy

Marty Schottenheimer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You're forgetting what he did in Cleveland.

No I'm not, he never had more than 1 playoff win in a season in Cleveland. Please go back and read my post. Only 1 time did Schott win 2 playoff games in a season.
Marty Schottenheimer Record, Statistics, and Category Ranks - Pro-Football-Reference.com

FYI- he's 5-13 in the playoffs, one of the worst records of all time in the postseason.

01-13-2008, 05:08 PM	#49
WillH The Starter Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,589	Re: Chargers and Norv I was not a fan of Norv while he was here, but I have to give him credit. It just makes you wonder . . . if Norv can win elsewhere then maybe the problem is here. Obviously our players during his stint were not nearly as good as the ones we have now, but still it is unbelievably frustrating. When will we ever be a dominant team again?

01-13-2008, 05:09 PM	#51
jsarno Franchise Player Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: 31 Spooner St. Age: 49 Posts: 9,534	Re: Chargers and Norv Just an FYI, Norv this season has 2 playoff wins (and hopefully not done), Schott had 2 playoff wins in a season only 1 time in his entire career, and that was in 92 with KC. Funny how people think so negative of Norv, but so highly of Schott when schott pissed off the vets like Darryl Green and Bruce Smith on a regular basis. There was practically a mutany cause schott was such a jerk. The entire team wanted him gone, yet some here think highly of him and not Norv?????? __________________ Zoltan is ZESTY! - courtesy of joeredskin

01-13-2008, 05:10 PM	#53
T.O.Killa The Starter Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Berlin, MD Posts: 2,061	Re: Chargers and Norv For the record, Marty is on of the best coaches out there. He made it to three AFC championship games and he built the Chargers. If they had let him stay here, he would have won a super bowl for us by now. Can somebody tell me who our who our QB was under Marty, I cant remember for the life of me.

01-13-2008, 05:18 PM	#59
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Re: Chargers and Norv This article is from earlier this year, and you could be right that he has improved jsarno. But this quote summarizes exactly what I was trying to say about what I saw of Norv while he was coaching the Redskins: "Talk to Turner's former players, and this is what they'll tell you: Give the man one job, and he'll do that job well. But give him a big job with multiple responsibilities, and he gets anxious and scattered and has a hard time doing any one thing capably." Charging toward disaster - NFL - Yahoo! Sports __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

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