'Bring the Pain' Stepping away from the panic button, slowly

Paintrain · 09-13-2009, 08:15 PM

I'm easily as frustrated at today's game as any out there. That was a pathetic showing, on the national stage, against a division opponent. I was in the game chat venting my frustrations with the rest of you but I am going to take a step back in my evaluations and acknowledge a few things before 'bringing the Pain'.

It was one game, week one and we're in no worse position than half of the league at 0-1. We played the Giants, recognized by many as the or one of the best teams in the league. For as poorly as we played, we were within a touchdown going into the 4th quarter. It sucks terribly to have to deal with this upcoming week but it's not the end of the world or the season.

Ok, time to 'Bring the Pain'. I've only got one victim this week, Jim Zorn.

Playcalling-Wow, that was the worst game I'd seen called since, well last season's opener. Some obvious examples:

-Plain stupidity-How can you call a WR reverse pass on the 2nd game of the season? Any jr. high school coach knows you have to set that play up. That sapped all momentum from the opening drive. Yes, Randle-El should have thrown the ball out of bounds, but more importantly, he shouldn't have been in that position to begin with!! Terrible decisions all around.
-Run/pass ratio-We trailed from the first snap the offense took yet Zorn called the game as if we held a 17 point lead. All but 3 possessions started with a run. ALL BUT 3! I understand wanting to keep the running game viable, but when you are running the ball on 2nd and 9 while you are down 2 possessions on your side off the 50 in the 4th quarter is moronic.

-Having the pulse of your players-Whatever you think about Jason Campbell as a QB, one thing is known about him. He is a rhythm passer. Get him going early and in a comfort zone and he's much more successful. One thing jumps out at me about him, he's much more comfortable and confident in the shotgun. For example, he was 14-17, 171 yards, TD today from the shotgun (6-6, 70 yds on the final drive) & 5-9 for 40 yards under center. If I can recognize that from my La-Z-Boy, Zorn should recognize this as well. I think his stubbornness gets in the way of what's best for the team. I am a JC supporter so take this with a grain of salt but you can be successful with him IF you put him in positions to do so! Let him do what he does well rather than trying to make him do what you ideally want someone to do. I think good coaches tailor what they do to the players they have and what they do best, not the other way around.

Team management and preparation-Pretty terrible showing in some really basic areas. Tackling, discipline, conditioning, penalties. We weren't physically whipped, completely out schemed (aside from Blache's vanilla defenses) or out-talented. We were beat, as usual, on the little things. Lack of gap integrity, poor effort on tackles, lazy/sloppy play. One of my biggest gripes with Zorn this preseason was how little he used the starters. He was acting like we were coming off of a Super Bowl run and returning all 22 starters.

We came out with nothing and stayed that way. The Manningham TD was the type of defensive effort that gets high school coaches fired. The Boss completion late in the 4th quarter, every DL stopped their feet while the play was alive and the QB had the ball in the pocket.

Finally, one specific gripe from last season that seems to have carried on, why is Laron Landry playing 20 yards off of the line of scrimmage?!?!? If he's one of our defensive playmakers, put him in positions to make plays!!!

I still think we've got 10 win talent and will go on a nice run with some lesser teams on the horizon.

Redskin Warrior · 09-13-2009, 08:19 PM

nice post Pain i totally agree need more shotgun plays

Chico23231 · 09-13-2009, 08:25 PM

Great post Paintrain! The playcalling was just horrible and frustrating to watch. I thought the tackling by the secondary was freaking awful. The offense is just bad, we need something.

PennSkinsFan · 09-13-2009, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Chico23231

Great post Paintrain! The playcalling was just horrible and frustrating to watch. I thought the tackling by the secondary was freaking awful. The offense is just bad, we need something.

Receivers.

Moss, 2 catches 6 yards
Kelly, 1 catch 6 yards
Thomas, EL ZIPPO

But, it all begins, and ends, just look at the Giants, and we say it year in and year out, up front on the offensive line.

skinsfan_nn · 09-13-2009, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by PennSkinsFan

Receivers.

Moss, 2 catches 6 yards
Kelly, 1 catch 6 yards
Thomas, EL ZIPPO

But, it all begins, and ends, just look at the Giants, and we say it year in and year out, up front on the offensive line.

You forgot one ARE the MOST productive one.....just under 100 yards.

Paintrain · 09-13-2009, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by PennSkinsFan

Receivers.

Moss, 2 catches 6 yards
Kelly, 1 catch 6 yards
Thomas, EL ZIPPO

But, it all begins, and ends, just look at the Giants, and we say it year in and year out, up front on the offensive line.

It all starts on the sideline. The Giants have one of the best OL in the game, but there are plenty of teams with worse OL (even worse than ours) that are effective in passing the ball based on their play calling.

Beemnseven · 09-13-2009, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by PennSkinsFan

Receivers.

Moss, 2 catches 6 yards
Kelly, 1 catch 6 yards
Thomas, EL ZIPPO

But, it all begins, and ends, just look at the Giants, and we say it year in and year out, up front on the offensive line.

Campbell wasn't exactly running for his life this afternoon. Yeah, they got to him a couple of times, but the fumble by Umenyora was more a product of Jason holding the ball too long.

Seemed like the protection was basically there today.

jacobyfan · 09-13-2009, 08:44 PM

I certainly didn't like the runs on so many first and second downs when playing from behind.

The defense needed to get off the field and could not all day. The giants ran all kind of clock and wore them out.

There were only two calls I *really* thought were bad:

First, when DeAngelo picks off that ball, the first play should be a shot into the endzone. Go for the throat on that play. That five yard loss run took the air out of us.

Second, when the giants are running clock at the end of the game well within FG range and you get a sack and a holding penalty is called, TAKE THE PLAY. Don't give them 1st and 20 and more time to run the clock and more chances.

Giants are a good team. They seemed unfazed by the loss of two good WRs and their D is better than last year. We started very slow last year as well. As you say, no need to hit the panic button yet. Calling for Campell's or Zorn's job at this point is shortsighted to say the least.

If we lose to the Rams and the Lions, I'll dig my torch and pitchfork out of the closet and join the mob.

CRedskinsRule · 09-13-2009, 08:45 PM

I thought protection was ok, but I agree 100% on playcalling. Where was Kelly? Thomas? Davis? Cooley and ARE got 18 catches, and played well, no knock on them, but where were the rest? I just didn't understand

44Deezel · 09-13-2009, 08:50 PM

That last drive is a bit deceiving. It was garbage time. Judge Campbell on the plays that matter. QBs always pad their stats when the outcome has already been decided. Not impressed with 6-6 at that point in the game.

44Deezel · 09-13-2009, 08:52 PM

ARE blows. He fell down for no reason on one play and cut back towards in the middle of the field when it looked like he could have scored if he had the ability to run in a straight line. And of course, his failure to throw the ball away on the trick play. Too many plays to him!

Lotus · 09-13-2009, 08:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Campbell wasn't exactly running for his life this afternoon. Yeah, they got to him a couple of times, but the fumble by Umenyora was more a product of Jason holding the ball too long.

Seemed like the protection was basically there today.

Pass protection: yes, essentially fine.

Run blocking: awful. And our backs did not take advantage when it wasn't awful, outside of one play.

GTripp0012 · 09-13-2009, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by 44Deezel

ARE blows. He fell down for no reason on one play and cut back towards in the middle of the field when it looked like he could have scored if he had the ability to run in a straight line. And of course, his failure to throw the ball away on the trick play. Too many plays to him!

ARE always sets up his running lanes so that no one ever gets a clean shot at the ball. There's something to be said for that, even if it costs him 4-5 yards on every catch he makes.

He's generally a player who you want the ball in his hands.

CultBrennan59 · 09-13-2009, 09:01 PM

ya don't hit the panic button now, but if we lose next week then start pounding it

Trample the Elderly · 09-13-2009, 09:03 PM

What happens if I already pressed the panic button? Can I unpress it? Can JC?

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09-13-2009, 08:15 PM	#1
Paintrain Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Ft. Lauderdale, FL Age: 53 Posts: 5,006	'Bring the Pain' Stepping away from the panic button, slowly I'm easily as frustrated at today's game as any out there. That was a pathetic showing, on the national stage, against a division opponent. I was in the game chat venting my frustrations with the rest of you but I am going to take a step back in my evaluations and acknowledge a few things before 'bringing the Pain'. It was one game, week one and we're in no worse position than half of the league at 0-1. We played the Giants, recognized by many as the or one of the best teams in the league. For as poorly as we played, we were within a touchdown going into the 4th quarter. It sucks terribly to have to deal with this upcoming week but it's not the end of the world or the season. Ok, time to 'Bring the Pain'. I've only got one victim this week, Jim Zorn. *Playcalling-Wow, that was the worst game I'd seen called since, well last season's opener. Some obvious examples: -Plain stupidity-How can you call a WR reverse pass on the 2nd game of the season? Any jr. high school coach knows you have to set that play up. That sapped all momentum from the opening drive. Yes, Randle-El should have thrown the ball out of bounds, but more importantly, he shouldn't have been in that position to begin with!! Terrible decisions all around. -Run/pass ratio-We trailed from the first snap the offense took yet Zorn called the game as if we held a 17 point lead. All but 3 possessions started with a run. ALL BUT 3! I understand wanting to keep the running game viable, but when you are running the ball on 2nd and 9 while you are down 2 possessions on your side off the 50 in the 4th quarter is moronic. -Having the pulse of your players-Whatever you think about Jason Campbell as a QB, one thing is known about him. He is a rhythm passer. Get him going early and in a comfort zone and he's much more successful. One thing jumps out at me about him, he's much more comfortable and confident in the shotgun. For example, he was 14-17, 171 yards, TD today from the shotgun (6-6, 70 yds on the final drive) & 5-9 for 40 yards under center. If I can recognize that from my La-Z-Boy, Zorn should recognize this as well. I think his stubbornness gets in the way of what's best for the team. I am a JC supporter so take this with a grain of salt but you can be successful with him IF you put him in positions to do so! Let him do what he does well rather than trying to make him do what you ideally want someone to do. I think good coaches tailor what they do to the players they have and what they do best, not the other way around. Team management and preparation-*Pretty terrible showing in some really basic areas. Tackling, discipline, conditioning, penalties. We weren't physically whipped, completely out schemed (aside from Blache's vanilla defenses) or out-talented. We were beat, as usual, on the little things. Lack of gap integrity, poor effort on tackles, lazy/sloppy play. One of my biggest gripes with Zorn this preseason was how little he used the starters. He was acting like we were coming off of a Super Bowl run and returning all 22 starters. We came out with nothing and stayed that way. The Manningham TD was the type of defensive effort that gets high school coaches fired. The Boss completion late in the 4th quarter, every DL stopped their feet while the play was alive and the QB had the ball in the pocket. Finally, one specific gripe from last season that seems to have carried on, why is Laron Landry playing 20 yards off of the line of scrimmage?!?!? If he's one of our defensive playmakers, put him in positions to make plays!!! I still think we've got 10 win talent and will go on a nice run with some lesser teams on the horizon. __________________ Paintrain's Redskins Fandom 1981-2014 I'm not dead but this team is dead to me...but now that McCloughan is here they may have new life! Jay Gruden = Zorny McSpurrier Kirk Cousins = Next Grossman

09-13-2009, 08:25 PM	#3
Chico23231 Warpath Hall of Fame Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 33,910	Re: 'Bring the Pain' Stepping away from the panic button, slowly Great post Paintrain! The playcalling was just horrible and frustrating to watch. I thought the tackling by the secondary was freaking awful. The offense is just bad, we need something.

09-13-2009, 08:44 PM	#8
jacobyfan Special Teams Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Nashville, TN Age: 45 Posts: 172	Re: 'Bring the Pain' Stepping away from the panic button, slowly I certainly didn't like the runs on so many first and second downs when playing from behind. The defense needed to get off the field and could not all day. The giants ran all kind of clock and wore them out. There were only two calls I really thought were bad: First, when DeAngelo picks off that ball, the first play should be a shot into the endzone. Go for the throat on that play. That five yard loss run took the air out of us. Second, when the giants are running clock at the end of the game well within FG range and you get a sack and a holding penalty is called, TAKE THE PLAY. Don't give them 1st and 20 and more time to run the clock and more chances. Giants are a good team. They seemed unfazed by the loss of two good WRs and their D is better than last year. We started very slow last year as well. As you say, no need to hit the panic button yet. Calling for Campell's or Zorn's job at this point is shortsighted to say the least. If we lose to the Rams and the Lions, I'll dig my torch and pitchfork out of the closet and join the mob.

09-13-2009, 08:45 PM	#9
CRedskinsRule Living Legend Join Date: Aug 2008 Age: 56 Posts: 21,166	Re: 'Bring the Pain' Stepping away from the panic button, slowly I thought protection was ok, but I agree 100% on playcalling. Where was Kelly? Thomas? Davis? Cooley and ARE got 18 catches, and played well, no knock on them, but where were the rest? I just didn't understand

09-13-2009, 08:50 PM	#10
44Deezel The Starter Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Davidsonville Posts: 1,783	Re: 'Bring the Pain' Stepping away from the panic button, slowly That last drive is a bit deceiving. It was garbage time. Judge Campbell on the plays that matter. QBs always pad their stats when the outcome has already been decided. Not impressed with 6-6 at that point in the game. __________________ I am a system poster.

09-13-2009, 08:52 PM	#11
44Deezel The Starter Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Davidsonville Posts: 1,783	Re: 'Bring the Pain' Stepping away from the panic button, slowly ARE blows. He fell down for no reason on one play and cut back towards in the middle of the field when it looked like he could have scored if he had the ability to run in a straight line. And of course, his failure to throw the ball away on the trick play. Too many plays to him! __________________ I am a system poster.

09-13-2009, 09:01 PM	#14
CultBrennan59 Pro Bowl Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 6,526	Re: 'Bring the Pain' Stepping away from the panic button, slowly ya don't hit the panic button now, but if we lose next week then start pounding it

09-13-2009, 09:03 PM	#15
Trample the Elderly Playmaker Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Three Chopt Virginia Age: 46 Posts: 2,906	Re: 'Bring the Pain' Stepping away from the panic button, slowly What happens if I already pressed the panic button? Can I unpress it? Can JC? __________________ A funny thing happened on the way to the temple. The moneychangers bought the priesthood.

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