Some Things Never Change (WP:RI Article)

sportscurmudgeon · 12-09-2009, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I don't think it's all that uncommon for owners to go along on a scouting trip, for the bigger college names at least.

Matty:

Art Rooney doesn't go scouting. Robert Kraft doesn't go scouting. Jeffrie Lurie doesn't go scouting. Those are three NFL situations I know are the case. Their teams are pretty successful year over year...

I seriously doubt that other successful owners regularly went out to scout players on their own in past times. - - other than Jerry Jones who has been the owner AND GM of the team for the last 15 years or so. And by the way, it has been 13 years since the Cowboys won a playoff game. Oh, you can put George Halas in the bin of owners who scouted too; of course he was the head coach in addition to all of the other responsibilities... Those were simpler times.

Here is what bothers me about Snyder scouting a QB:

Back in his early years here, he boasted to the Washington Post Sunday Magazine in an article on him that HE was the one who found Patrick Ramsey and made sure the team drafted Ramsey with its first draft pick.

That tells me that Danny Boy would not know a great QB if it came up to him and bit him on the ass and announced in a loud voice, "I am a great QB!"

Dirtbag59 · 12-09-2009, 10:17 PM

Speaking of which, how much does Vinny get paid the Redskins? Oh well, personally this scares the crap out of me, in spite of the things Smootsmack has said. My absolute last bastion of hope was that Vinny would overcompensate and go after a bunch of O-Lineman in the draft, just like he did with the D-Line last year, and the recievers the year before. However if Vinny is allowed to stay then I can easily tell you how our draft is going to turn out.

1st. QB
2nd. RB
4th. LB
5th. CB
6th. K
7th. WR

He'll then go along with his annual tradition of explaining best player available and his holy draft board all while telling us what a great find Mike Williams and Levi Jones were then tell us how Heyer is a pro bowler when he bends his knees and that he thinks Samuals is coming back to play. Oh and who can forget the amazing progress Rhinehart has made. Then he'll sign one or two bargain basement free agents.

This seriously can't go on can it? I keep on reading this article and I think I'm in some drug induced nightmare. If it was just Cerrato going on recruiting trips then I could spin it but Snyder going along might as well be a vote of confidence in the teams front office structure as far as I'm concerned.

Maybe I'm being irrational, but I won't be able to rest easy until 2011. Thats right 2011 during a one year anniversary of a Redskins Insider report explaining how Vinny has been removed from the player evaluation and selection side of the Redskins.

mlmdub130 · 12-09-2009, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by The Goat

Put it another way...does anyone here think an incoming GM could give two shits what/who Vinny scouted? I mean, yes wouldn't an honest answer here. Vinny would struggle mightily to find gainful employment w/ any other franchise in football. He has few contacts, almost no personal skills, very little respect around the league and sounds like a lobotomy patient every time he opens his mouth. You don't keep a guy like this around and expect to be taken serious by the true professionals. Snyder has no intention of legitimizing the FO or his franchise.

^^^^^^^^More than anything else I would like to be dead wrong here.

you might be surprised

i hope so

mlmdub130 · 12-09-2009, 10:46 PM

dirtbag noticed you skipped the 3rd pick, pretty sure we don't have a 6th either as of now, might be the 7th though can't remember

Defensewins · 12-09-2009, 10:50 PM

I really think Redskins fans are so used to losing now that as long as the team does not get blown out they will step off the "fire Vinny" gas pedal. I think it already has happened.
What is it that keeps Vinny employed? What!
Vinny has been with the Redskins for 10 years or so. Why?

mlmdub130 · 12-09-2009, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Defensewins

I really think Redskins fans are so used to losing now that as long as the team does not get blown out they will step off the "fire Vinny" gas pedal. I think it already has happened.
What is it that keeps Vinny employed? What!
Vinny has been with the Redskins for 10 years or so. Why?

because after suckin ass in san fran for a while and setting that franchise back a decade he was hired by dan snyder as a puppet

SBXVII · 12-09-2009, 11:06 PM

Any possibility Snyder is in contact with his future HC and they have made suggestions that they wouldn't mind having these two QB's? So Snyder/Cerrato go out and "Scout" them out. Maybe even speak with them to see if they could work with said HC?

mlmdub130 · 12-09-2009, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by SBXVII

Any possibility Snyder is in contact with his future HC and they have made suggestions that they wouldn't mind having these two QB's? So Snyder/Cerrato go out and "Scout" them out. Maybe even speak with them to see if they could work with said HC?

possibly. and possibly that should be the new gm's job

SBXVII · 12-09-2009, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by mlmdub130

dirtbag noticed you skipped the 3rd pick, pretty sure we don't have a 6th either as of now, might be the 7th though can't remember

We gave up our 3rd to get Jeremy Jarmin in the Supplimental draft prior to this year. Basically got a Rookie a year earlier to get experience for a year. Finally Cerrato did something right.

mlmdub130 · 12-09-2009, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by SBXVII

We gave up our 3rd to get Jeremy Jarmin in the Supplimental draft prior to this year. Basically got a Rookie a year earlier to get experience for a year. Finally Cerrato did something right.

yeah i know and i actually think that was a good move but i'm pretty sure we don't have a 6th either this year

mlmdub130 · 12-09-2009, 11:26 PM

it's jason taylor kicking us in the ass again miami has our 6th, thats what i thought

SBXVII · 12-09-2009, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by mlmdub130

possibly. and possibly that should be the new gm's job

Your failing to remember our team does things ass backwards. Instead of getting the HC and letting him pick up his OC, Snyder went out and picked up the OC and tried to look for a HC.

So I wouldn't put it past them to try a new tactic....have a QB in mind and bring in a HC, whether the QB fits the system or not.

SBXVII · 12-09-2009, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by mlmdub130

it's jason taylor kicking us in the ass again miami has our 6th, thats what i thought

#1- I thought we were done with the J.Taylor issue. I thought last year was the year they took our picks.

#2- If I'm wrong, then I would argue it really doesn't matter for two reasons:

A- 6th is pretty low on the draft board so unless you get a lucky pick they will usually amount to camp fodder.

B- Dirtbag has us picking up a Kicker. As we all know we picked up our future Kicker this week so we can lose that pick.

mlmdub130 · 12-09-2009, 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by SBXVII

#1- I thought we were done with the J.Taylor issue. I thought last year was the year they took our picks.

#2- If I'm wrong, then I would argue it really doesn't matter for two reasons:

A- 6th is pretty low on the draft board so unless you get a lucky pick they will usually amount to camp fodder.

B- Dirtbag has us picking up a Kicker. As we all know we picked up our future Kicker this week so we can lose that pick.

indeed we can,i was being sarcastic earlier and honsetly couldn't remember which pick we had given up, we really need a sarcastic emoticon

mlmdub130 · 12-10-2009, 12:01 AM

and btw they do have our 6th this year

12-09-2009, 10:17 PM	#47
Dirtbag59 Naega jeil jal naga Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Atlanta, Georgia From: Silver Spring, Maryland Age: 38 Posts: 14,750	re: Some Things Never Change (WP:RI Article) Speaking of which, how much does Vinny get paid the Redskins? Oh well, personally this scares the crap out of me, in spite of the things Smootsmack has said. My absolute last bastion of hope was that Vinny would overcompensate and go after a bunch of O-Lineman in the draft, just like he did with the D-Line last year, and the recievers the year before. However if Vinny is allowed to stay then I can easily tell you how our draft is going to turn out. 1st. QB 2nd. RB 4th. LB 5th. CB 6th. K 7th. WR He'll then go along with his annual tradition of explaining best player available and his holy draft board all while telling us what a great find Mike Williams and Levi Jones were then tell us how Heyer is a pro bowler when he bends his knees and that he thinks Samuals is coming back to play. Oh and who can forget the amazing progress Rhinehart has made. Then he'll sign one or two bargain basement free agents. This seriously can't go on can it? I keep on reading this article and I think I'm in some drug induced nightmare. If it was just Cerrato going on recruiting trips then I could spin it but Snyder going along might as well be a vote of confidence in the teams front office structure as far as I'm concerned. Maybe I'm being irrational, but I won't be able to rest easy until 2011. Thats right 2011 during a one year anniversary of a Redskins Insider report explaining how Vinny has been removed from the player evaluation and selection side of the Redskins. __________________ "It's nice to be important, but its more important to be nice." - Scooter "I feel like Dirtbag has been slowly and methodically trolling the board for a month or so now." - FRPLG

12-09-2009, 10:46 PM	#49
mlmdub130 Playmaker Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Woodbridge, VA Age: 41 Posts: 3,238	re: Some Things Never Change (WP:RI Article) dirtbag noticed you skipped the 3rd pick, pretty sure we don't have a 6th either as of now, might be the 7th though can't remember __________________ "I don't think anybody should have regrets, especially me, ... You don't regret what you do in your life. If you do it, you do it for a reason." ST21

12-09-2009, 10:50 PM	#50
Defensewins Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 3,739	re: Some Things Never Change (WP:RI Article) I really think Redskins fans are so used to losing now that as long as the team does not get blown out they will step off the "fire Vinny" gas pedal. I think it already has happened. What is it that keeps Vinny employed? What! Vinny has been with the Redskins for 10 years or so. Why?

12-09-2009, 11:06 PM	#52
SBXVII Franchise Player Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 7,766	re: Some Things Never Change (WP:RI Article) Any possibility Snyder is in contact with his future HC and they have made suggestions that they wouldn't mind having these two QB's? So Snyder/Cerrato go out and "Scout" them out. Maybe even speak with them to see if they could work with said HC?

12-09-2009, 11:26 PM	#56
mlmdub130 Playmaker Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Woodbridge, VA Age: 41 Posts: 3,238	re: Some Things Never Change (WP:RI Article) it's jason taylor kicking us in the ass again miami has our 6th, thats what i thought __________________ "I don't think anybody should have regrets, especially me, ... You don't regret what you do in your life. If you do it, you do it for a reason." ST21

12-10-2009, 12:01 AM	#60
mlmdub130 Playmaker Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Woodbridge, VA Age: 41 Posts: 3,238	re: Some Things Never Change (WP:RI Article) and btw they do have our 6th this year __________________ "I don't think anybody should have regrets, especially me, ... You don't regret what you do in your life. If you do it, you do it for a reason." ST21

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