Start John Beck Madness Thread

[SOUL-SKINS]

Originally Posted by rbanerjee23

you're redic

Awww thanks

[rbanerjee23]

Originally Posted by Mechanix544

The guy just doesnt have it. Not what it takes to be a week in, week out winner in this league. Just imagine what this team would be capable of if the squad had a sound decision maker at quarterback...... I'm not even saying an all-pro!!! Just someone who doesnt fumble, throw directly to the other team, make boneheaded decisions.....etc...

Exactly -- every week its the same old BS quotes. "Yeah, I need to just go out and play" or something to that effect. Dude, if this is you just going out and playing, STOP!!! and think before you throw the ball. You can't hang on to the ball when you get hit, make really bad decisions in pivotal moments, and putting the ball in your hands in 3rd down is a guaranteed turnover (on downs or of the ball).

[NC_Skins]

I wouldn't make a change until it costs us the game. At that point, I'd make the switch.

[Mechanix544]

When a coach benches an all pro quarterback in a game where he just wasnt very effective, or he "wasnt in good enough shape to run the 2 minute offense" (Yeah, and grossman is the epitome of physical strength and conditioning, gimme a fvckin break), then I would say after the past two games we have seen from rex grossman, it certainly is well within the realm of possibility that he sits Grossman and gives beck his shot. Who knows, he could break out and be an above average quarterback for us. One thing I know for certain is that we will not keep winning games like this with the subpar qb play we have witnessed the past 2 weeks. We should count ourselves EXTREMELY lucky to be 3-1 at this point. Our record in NO WAY justifies that Rex Grossmans job is safe, for the fact that none of the wins can be attributed to his stellar play, and all of them save for the giants game COULD have EASILY been lost due to the mistakes he is so prone to making, like he is on cue. Those thinking that Shanahan will not bench Rex based solely on the fact that we have won 3 games at this point of the season is fooling themselves. Rex's play is SCREAMING "Bench Me", and I hope and believe that Shanahan will make the correct call, and put in John Beck over the bye week.

As for this season, you will not find a better time to install a new quarterback with your offense. We know that Rex Grossman cannot be counted on, but John Beck has yet to show that he is as mistake prone as Rex. If we can cut out the INTs, fumbles and idiot throws to the other team that they miraculously fail to catch, then we might just see a little more productivity from our offensive group.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by SOUL-SKINS

This thread is redic. We r 3-1. One pick was on him. I hate fans like you.

I hate QBs who are stupid idoits dummies. :tongue

[12thMan]

To say it another way, you guys are pining for John Beck like he's the next coming of Bart Starr. He's not. From what I've seen, Beck is just as ordinary as Grossman. Marginally more athletic, mechanics are different but I'm not seeing a huge upgrade, if at all.

I don't think anyone here is saying that Rex Grossman is beyond being benched or even criticized. I believe wholeheartedly that every Skins fans understands Rex has his shortcomings that are liabilities, especially late in the game. So far though, those liabilities haven't cost us wins.

You chop off the top 5 or 6 QBs in this league and a lot of these guys fall squarely into Rex Grossman territory on most Sundays. I think the Skins should stand pat, not because Rex deserves it so much but because the team is playing well and there's no reason to see just for the sake of seeing. Let Rex study the film, sit down with Shanny and Kyle over the bye and reboot.

[DCtoAZ]

Well I look at it like this .. Moss was responsible for 1 pick .. Hightower dropped crucial 3rd down play that would have kept momentum going .. yes he played ugly today but he also made some nice throws and we won the game .. perhaps you haven't seen the "BONEHEAD" plays Tony Romo made and/or makes ? Relax people, yes that game was a game that should have been slammed home 35-0 ... I would say playcalling was responsible for 75% of those turnovers .. why the F would we be throwing in that last situation anyways ? We have a 3 headed RB monster approaching our team and good rex bad rex is GOOD enough to get us at 3-1 heading into bye week in 1st Place. BTW we would be 4-0 if we would have played a little 'safe' defense like we did today when we needed to stop a 20+ yds play for 1st down ... Beck be ready, only if Rex gets injured otherwise we roll with our homey .. yeah he's a little chunky and a maniac and gives us all heart attacks but for whatever reason ... i'm feeling him .. Hail to the Sex Grossmans

[pg86]

Im hung on this...you see had kyle not made shitty calls on 3rd down we'd have a Rex Resurection thread

On the otherhand we know Beck can get out the pocket and run that play action WAY better than rex

[JoeRedskin]

Wow. Just wow. Okay, Rex isn't great - but he is good enough. We have a team that is focused and, 3 times in 4, has found a way to get the job done. But, yeah, let's f*** with what's got us here just 'cause. If Beck were a definite upgrade, sure. But he's not.

When Rex loses a game or two, then, okay, yank him.

But, when you're winning, don't mess with success. Duh.

[rbanerjee23]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

I wouldn't make a change until it costs us the game. At that point, I'd make the switch.

Isn't that kind of reactive? I mean, if the warning signs are all there saying get rid of this guy, shouldn't the move be made before he costs us a game?

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

That's a cliche and has little to do with our actual situation. Right now we're committing turnovers and we're not moving the ball through the air. I never understood why QB's are virtually immune from benching. Redskins were 2-0 with Doughty starting, and 1-1 with Landry starting. Should we bench Landry? I'm tired of hearing about QB records, all to often it's used as a justification for poor play.

Just look at the Titans without Vince Young. QB records only mean so much.

No, it just means that this game is about more than one player. We'll probably never find out for sure, but IMHO Beck isn't going to give this team more wins than Grossman will.

Should close this thread, it is comical that we are even talking about this.

[SOUL-SKINS]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

I hate QBs who are stupid idoits dummies. :tongue

Not sure what that means but im assuming your're unhappy with Grossmans play.......3-1 dude. One pick his own fault the other was Santana's. Not a great but solid game for Rex

[pg86]

Ok Im watching the replays....u know what...I don't think Rex is to blame...

1. Recievers aren't getting separation we are really missing Armstrong

2. Stop passing on 3rd and 3 Kyle

4. I'm seeing a ton of illegal touching on the guys covering fred davis thats going uncalled.

Don't blame Rex cept for that 1 int

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Pretty hard to bench your QB when you're 3-1, that's all I'm saying.

i think you should have let someone who thinks beck should get the start to start the thread.

they could have laid out more of a foundation, stats, reasons to start the discussion off instead of having this one sentence thread starter with no substance that seems to have killed any real evolution of a worthy thread imo.

i dont think we should start beck, i dont see us being any better off with either beck or rex but still . . . i think ya jump the gun purposely to kill possibly the most relevant discussion we could have for the next 13 days or so.

[mooby]

12th if this thread has anything going for it, it's that it's madness.