Expectations for Griff and the 2012 Offense

30gut · 07-22-2012, 12:41 PM

I'm gonna break my expectations down in categories:

(1) Project Griffin into the offense we've seen thus far with NO changes to the offense

(2) Project Griff into the offense but with a more balanced run/pass attack

Category (1)

avg: 598 atts (IIRC would be a NFL record for a rookie)
avg: 7.5 ypa (gave Griff a bump in ypa b/c of his deep ball acccuracy and improved WRs targets)
avg: 58.1 comp %
avg: 3.35 TD %
avg: 3.1 INT % (lowered the INT % b/c Rex is well Rex; he's an INT anomaly for the offense)

pluggin Griff into the offense with the above factors:

4,485 yards
58.1 comp %
20 TDs
18 INTs

(W-L) 7-9

skinsfaninok · 07-22-2012, 12:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 30gut

I'm gonna break my expectations down in categories:

(1) Project Griffin into the offense we've seen thus far with NO changes to the offense

(2) Project Griff into the offense but with a more balanced run/pass attack

Category (1)

avg: 598 atts
avg: 7.5 ypa (gave Griff a bump in ypa b/c of his deep ball acccuracy and improved WRs targets)
avg: 58.1 comp %
avg: 3.35 TD %
avg: 3.1 INT % (lowered the INT % b/c Rex is well Rex; he's an INT anomaly for the offense)

pluggin Griff into the offense with the above factors:

4,485 yards
58.1 comp %
20 TDs
18 INTs

(W-L) 7-9

what about W/L vs NFCE?

SmootSmack · 07-22-2012, 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrustyRedskin

Lol!! I hear ya, there is a great chance Kyle is gona screw this up. After watching his pregame speech to the offense before the Eagles game last year i lost what little hope i had in him. There is no way he has gained any respect in the locker room. And then the new secondary coach talking smack during practice punking him down. Shakin my head. But i think RG3 maybe smart enough to overcome daddys little helper.

Kyle is the most popular coach on the team, and one of the most popular people in the organization.

30gut · 07-22-2012, 04:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 30gut

I'm gonna break my expectations down in categories:

(1) Project Griffin into the offense we've seen thus far with NO changes to the offense...
pluggin Griff into the offense with the above factors:

598 attempts
4,485 yards
58.1 comp %
20 TDs
18 INTs

(W-L) 7-9

(1) Project Griffin into the offense we've seen thus far with NO changes to the offense...

I forgot to factor in Griffin's rushing which changes the numbers for me.
Some possible pass attempts/incompletions/completion will become successful rushing yards.
Which lower his pass yards but raise his comp % and lower his int %.
And Griffin's playmaking could result in a few more TDs.

543 atts---(598 atts avg - 55 imprv(15 call) rushing attempts)
347~(ish) comp--- (some completions will also turn into runs)
455 rush yards--(70 attempts @ 6.5 ypc)
4,072 pass yards
61 comp %
23 TDs
15 INT

3-3 NFC East
7-9 Overall

Tony1540 · 07-22-2012, 04:36 PM

I really don't like to my predictions when it comes to stats, but I do have expections for this offense.

RG3

I think he's going to be really good right out the gate. With his elite speed, athleticism, and passing ability I expect him to make a lot of explosive plays. However, I also expect him to make some bad reads here, throw some interceptions, miss some guys here and there, etc. All in all I think he will be the NFL Offensive Rookie of the Year.

Fred Davis

I think Fred Davis is going to have a huge year. This guy is very talented. He'll have 1000 yds this season.

WR I think Garcon is going to be a lot better than what people think. He's going to make a lot of big plays. I'm not sure about Morgan. There is no doubt that he's talented, however, lets see how he rebounds from that injury. The same goes for Hankerson as well. I see this guy got all the tools, but he's coming off of hip surgery. I have to see how he looks when he gets back on the field. I think Moss will be effective.

JPPT1974 · 07-22-2012, 05:14 PM

He seems to have a good head on his shoulders. And that he seems smart not just physically but mentally and emotionally as well. Not just as a player but as a person it seems.

Lotus · 07-22-2012, 05:40 PM

Offense 21 PPG
record: 9-7
3-3 NFCE

Gryphon:
59% comp.
6.9 YPA
2850 yards
24 TD
14 INT
550 rushing yards

Garcon 75-1150-7
Morgan 70-950-4
Moss 65-90-3
Davis 80-980-7

Running back by committee:
2200 yards - 15 TD
leading rusher: Helu
most TDs: Royster

30gut · 07-22-2012, 06:52 PM

^^Wow, that would be an impressive and welcome paradigm shift in terms of the offense.

Last year the rushing game produced 1614 yards (25th) on 400 att (25th)
If we had 2200 rush yards this year it would rank 6th in the NFL.

I gotta ask though, why/how so few passing yards?

TheMalcolmConnection · 07-22-2012, 07:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lotus

Offense 21 PPG
record: 9-7
3-3 NFCE

Gryphon:
59% comp.
6.9 YPA
2850 yards
24 TD
14 INT
550 rushing yards

Garcon 75-1150-7
Morgan 70-950-4
Moss 65-90-3
Davis 80-980-7

Running back by committee:
2200 yards - 15 TD
leading rusher: Helu
most TDs: Royster

Are these assuming someone other than Griffin is throwing passes at some point? Otherwise, the mathz don't seem right.

Lotus · 07-22-2012, 08:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 30gut

^^Wow, that would be an impressive and welcome paradigm shift in terms of the offense.

Last year the rushing game produced 1614 yards (25th) on 400 att (25th)
If we had 2200 rush yards this year it would rank 6th in the NFL.

I gotta ask though, why/how so few passing yards?

Passing yards because Gryphon is a rookie.

As far as the "paradigm shift," I don't see it that way as much as I am just accounting for the fact that Griff will add yards on the ground that Wrecks/Beck did not.

Lotus · 07-22-2012, 08:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

Are these assuming someone other than Griffin is throwing passes at some point? Otherwise, the mathz don't seem right.

Nope, just guessing. I did math with TD's but forgot math with receiving yards. Given your helpful comment, I would shave 75-100 yards from everyone I listed and then things work out better.

SmootSmack · 07-22-2012, 08:29 PM

Never good at stats predictions but

RG3-22 TDs 13 INTs (4 of the TDs will be rushing TDs)

Leading Rusher (carries): Hightower

Leading Rusher (yards): Royster

Leading Rusher (TDs): Royster

Leading Receiver (receptions): Fred Davis/Garcon (tied)

Leading Receiver (yards): Hankerson

Leading Receiver (TDs): Hankerson

30gut · 07-22-2012, 09:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lotus

Passing yards because Gryphon is a rookie.

As far as the "paradigm shift," I don't see it that way as much as I am just accounting for the fact that Griff will add yards on the ground that Wrecks/Beck did not.

Gotcha, I keep forgeting to factor in Griffin's rush yards.

I thought you meant 2200 from the running backs alone and then looking at your passing yards total of 2,850 yards got me thinking.
This offense has averaged 598 passing attempts the past 2 seasons.
The only way I can see Griff's passing yards total under 3,000 yards is a drastic decrease in passing attempts.
3,000 @ 7.0 YPA = 428 passing attempts which would be a 169 attempts decrease; hence my thinking paradigm shift.

If Kyle avg 598 avg. passing attempts w/ McNabb (A QB he didn't get along with) and Rex/Becks (2 QBs that can't play) then even though Griff is a rook, I can't imagine the passing attempts would drop that much.
Griffin will be the most talented QB Kyle's ever had.

And yes, I'm proly over thinking it.

Lotus · 07-22-2012, 10:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 30gut

Gotcha, I keep forgeting to factor in Griffin's rush yards.

I thought you meant 2200 from the running backs alone and then looking at your passing yards total of 2,850 yards got me thinking.
This offense has averaged 598 passing attempts the past 2 seasons.
The only way I can see Griff's passing yards total under 3,000 yards is a drastic decrease in passing attempts.
3,000 @ 7.0 YPA = 428 passing attempts which would be a 169 attempts decrease; hence my thinking paradigm shift.

If Kyle avg 598 avg. passing attempts w/ McNabb (A QB he didn't get along with) and Rex/Becks (2 QBs that can't play) then even though Griff is a rook, I can't imagine the passing attempts would drop that much.
Griffin will be the most talented QB Kyle's ever had.

And yes, I'm proly over thinking it.

To me you are not overthinking it. I'm with you - I don't see passing attempts decreasing with a Heisman winner under center. And maybe you are right and I am conservative regarding 10's passing yards. It is hard to know what a rookie will do when he has not yet taken an NFL snap in public.

REDSKINS4ever · 07-23-2012, 02:58 AM

The Redskins were ranked 16th in offense in the NFL last year. With the brand new additions on offense, I expect that ranking to improve greatly in 2012. Can they do any worse than we they did last year? No, they can't. But expect to see more improvement. If the Redskins can somehow, someway, move into top ten in the NFL in total offense, then expect them to be a playoff team. Let's not forget too that the defense, which is coming off a solid year in 2011, will be even more improved also.

07-22-2012, 12:41 PM	#31
30gut Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 3,323	Re: Expectations for Griff and the 2012 Offense I'm gonna break my expectations down in categories: (1) Project Griffin into the offense we've seen thus far with NO changes to the offense (2) Project Griff into the offense but with a more balanced run/pass attack Category (1) avg: 598 atts (IIRC would be a NFL record for a rookie) avg: 7.5 ypa (gave Griff a bump in ypa b/c of his deep ball acccuracy and improved WRs targets) avg: 58.1 comp % avg: 3.35 TD % avg: 3.1 INT % (lowered the INT % b/c Rex is well Rex; he's an INT anomaly for the offense) pluggin Griff into the offense with the above factors: 4,485 yards 58.1 comp % 20 TDs 18 INTs (W-L) 7-9 Last edited by 30gut; 07-22-2012 at 04:07 PM.

07-22-2012, 04:36 PM	#35
Tony1540 Camp Scrub Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 1	Re: Expectations for Griff and the 2012 Offense I really don't like to my predictions when it comes to stats, but I do have expections for this offense. RG3 I think he's going to be really good right out the gate. With his elite speed, athleticism, and passing ability I expect him to make a lot of explosive plays. However, I also expect him to make some bad reads here, throw some interceptions, miss some guys here and there, etc. All in all I think he will be the NFL Offensive Rookie of the Year. Fred Davis I think Fred Davis is going to have a huge year. This guy is very talented. He'll have 1000 yds this season. WR I think Garcon is going to be a lot better than what people think. He's going to make a lot of big plays. I'm not sure about Morgan. There is no doubt that he's talented, however, lets see how he rebounds from that injury. The same goes for Hankerson as well. I see this guy got all the tools, but he's coming off of hip surgery. I have to see how he looks when he gets back on the field. I think Moss will be effective.

07-22-2012, 05:14 PM	#36
JPPT1974 Special Teams Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 469	Re: Expectations for Griff and the 2012 Offense He seems to have a good head on his shoulders. And that he seems smart not just physically but mentally and emotionally as well. Not just as a player but as a person it seems. __________________ *Ready for May Day, Draft, and May Flowers!*

07-22-2012, 05:40 PM	#37
Lotus Fire Bruce NOW Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Hattiesburg, MS Posts: 11,434	Re: Expectations for Griff and the 2012 Offense Offense 21 PPG record: 9-7 3-3 NFCE Gryphon: 59% comp. 6.9 YPA 2850 yards 24 TD 14 INT 550 rushing yards Garcon 75-1150-7 Morgan 70-950-4 Moss 65-90-3 Davis 80-980-7 Running back by committee: 2200 yards - 15 TD leading rusher: Helu most TDs: Royster __________________ Bruce Allen when in charge alone: 4-12 (.250) Bruce Allen's overall Redskins record : 28-52 (.350) Vinny Cerrato's record when in charge alone: 52-65 (.444) Vinny's overall Redskins record: 62-82 (.430) We won more with Vinny

07-22-2012, 06:52 PM	#38
30gut Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 3,323	Re: Expectations for Griff and the 2012 Offense ^^Wow, that would be an impressive and welcome paradigm shift in terms of the offense. Last year the rushing game produced 1614 yards (25th) on 400 att (25th) If we had 2200 rush yards this year it would rank 6th in the NFL. I gotta ask though, why/how so few passing yards?

07-22-2012, 08:29 PM	#42
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Re: Expectations for Griff and the 2012 Offense Never good at stats predictions but RG3-22 TDs 13 INTs (4 of the TDs will be rushing TDs) Leading Rusher (carries): Hightower Leading Rusher (yards): Royster Leading Rusher (TDs): Royster Leading Receiver (receptions): Fred Davis/Garcon (tied) Leading Receiver (yards): Hankerson Leading Receiver (TDs): Hankerson __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

07-23-2012, 02:58 AM	#45
REDSKINS4ever Playmaker Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Washington, D.C. Posts: 4,009	Re: Expectations for Griff and the 2012 Offense The Redskins were ranked 16th in offense in the NFL last year. With the brand new additions on offense, I expect that ranking to improve greatly in 2012. Can they do any worse than we they did last year? No, they can't. But expect to see more improvement. If the Redskins can somehow, someway, move into top ten in the NFL in total offense, then expect them to be a playoff team. Let's not forget too that the defense, which is coming off a solid year in 2011, will be even more improved also.

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