02-23-2016, 04:58 PM | #16 |
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Honestly, do you guys think the combine is really worth it? I've watched it in the past, but I don't think it's really going to give you any better insight as to who's going to make it in the NFL and who isn't.
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02-23-2016, 07:43 PM | #17 | |
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Yes. But you have to realize the combine isn't designed for the layman. The on the field stuff is net-net probably the least important of all the events that occur at the combine. #1 is the medical testing and #2 (or really 1a) is the personal contact/team meetings.
The combine events are merely a cross check/tie breaker because it allows the player to be compared against each other and provide data that can be used to compare against historical archives. Now if you are a draftnik/wannabe amateur scout (like myself) you can use the combine numbers to separate players that have similar grades from watching tape. For example a couple of years back I graded Deone Buchannon and James Ward much higher then other draftniks. But after their combines I was certain that they were 1st round prospect because they combine numbers comparable to previous 1st rounders which confirmed what I saw on film. Personally I love the combine and find it very useful. Quote:
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02-23-2016, 07:44 PM | #18 |
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http://www.patriots.com/audio/2016/02/23/mike-mayock-pre-combine-conference-call-223
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02-23-2016, 07:54 PM | #19 |
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training for the 40 is a waste of time. yes, you can train to run a faster 40, but it doesn't actually translate to helping you in real games (at all). the combine overall is less useful than it used to be, because instead of honest stats and interviews, everyone's preparing for them like a sat cram class.
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02-23-2016, 08:24 PM | #20 | |
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Training for the 40 can make you faster. Many people don't know how to run fast. And if they learn some mechanics and techniques of running they can certainly run faster at the combine and be faster on the field. There's a reason why most of the really fast guys in the NFL have track in their background. But, being faster doesn't necessarily equate to being better. |
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02-23-2016, 08:31 PM | #21 |
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The really slow guys usually don't make track teams.
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Teams like Seattle (where Scott hails) uses comps like the SPARQ to compare prospects; its technological advancements like SPARQ that make the combine results more useful. NFL FO and organizations are well aware of the prep process. Its up to them to figure out how to get the information they want. And the prep process also helps expose guys that aren't putting the work in. |
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02-24-2016, 08:29 AM | #24 | |
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Anyhow, there is an entire area of professional sports based on science and kinesiology that disagrees with you. But to each their own. |
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the combine is the single biggest over-hype crap the NFL sells. and of course ill be paying attention cause im a fiend
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I don't watch nearly as much college football as I used to. I watch some games here and there and watch the bowl games to keep an eye of some of the top prospects. But the main place I go to find info on players is this site: Draft Breakdown | NFL Draft Prospect Videos and More They have 'cut-ups' of players that show only the plays they were involved in. So you can watch all the plays from player X from the games they have available. There's another site noonkick.com (its not working right now for some reason) that has complete games. |
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Running backs only run upright once they hit the open field. Before that, they keep their pad level low, and only get to the open field with quickness and agility. And besides, do you really think players remember their training for the 40 when they're on the field? If you don't keep practicing something you lose it, and no coach on an NFL team is teaching them how to get off to a fast start in the 40. It almost sounds like you've never played a sport at the high school or college level - the training doesn't stick with you unless you have muscle memory with it. You have to drill it over and over. And nobody drills it like that in the NFL.
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kinesiology is a thing, i never said it wasn't, but nice try on not actually responding to the post. please tell me how training for the 40 helps in real games. i don't know any NFL player that runs a faster 40 when they're 27 or 30 then they did when they were 23. if you could study being faster and it actually worked, how could that hold true? shaving a 1/20th of a second on your 40 doesn't help you cut or block or run routes any better, and it's completely different than being geared up (weighted down) and having hands in your face in a real game. outside of a corner completely forgetting to jam DJ on a fly route, it basically has no bearing beyond somewhat comparative speed. |
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