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Old 01-22-2020, 05:10 PM   #406
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Ok, there were stories of FA coming to the Redskins (under Jay Gruden) and being shocked at how ďsoftĒ the practice were.
I donít think that itís a stretch to take Grudenís ď player friendlyĒ attitude to being applied to the practices.

The Patriots run hills after EVERY normal practice. This is why they do better as the season goes on -they have stamina. I submit thatís why they donít have the level of injuries that seemed to continually plague the Redskins. Also, after the Patriots finish practice ( before they run hills) they gather together to hear from the coach, versus the Redskins approach where players just drift back to their lockers. This evidence of the ďPatriotís WayĒ, was shown when the Patriots practiced with the Redskins, a few years ago.

I think you will see a lower number of injuries with the Redskins, as the management doesnít recruit players with injury histories and they work the players harder in practice.


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Old 01-22-2020, 06:59 PM   #407
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To his credit, OC is probably his best spot.
People really seem to miss the forest for the trees here. He was a bad HC, however even the worst HC's still get repeated opportunities to coach as a coordinator or position coach. The NFL is a good ol' boys club, there will always be someone else there willing to give a bad coach an opportunity to rebound.
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People really seem to miss the forest for the trees here. He was a bad HC, however even the worst HC's still get repeated opportunities to coach as a coordinator or position coach. The NFL is a good ol' boys club, there will always be someone else there willing to give a bad coach an opportunity to rebound.


Exactly. It is almost like teams are too lazy to go look for someone new so they just recycle old pieces. Also of course like you said - always an old friend somewhere willing to keep you employed.
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Old 01-23-2020, 01:44 AM   #409
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Exactly. It is almost like teams are too lazy to go look for someone new so they just recycle old pieces. Also of course like you said - always an old friend somewhere willing to keep you employed.


Yeah, itís an old boy system but thatís also because people making the decisions are looking for pedigree and prior coaches they worked with. The trouble if you make a huge leap of faith, say like when Snyder hired a QB coach (Zorn) to be the HEAD COACH, it often can turn out terribly wrong.

Gruden was a good OC , but then he really wasnít ready for HC, especially when the person making the personnel decisions was a total idiot (Bruce Allen). Gruden has a good pedigree with prior HC he worked with, a good run as OC with the Bengals, but he was anchored DOWN by Allenís personnel mistakes AND he never really nailed down a very good DC.


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Yeah, itís an old boy system but thatís also because people making the decisions are looking for pedigree and prior coaches they worked with. The trouble if you make a huge leap of faith, say like when Snyder hired a QB coach (Zorn) to be the HEAD COACH, it often can turn out terribly wrong.

Gruden was a good OC , but then he really wasnít ready for HC, especially when the person making the personnel decisions was a total idiot (Bruce Allen). Gruden has a good pedigree with prior HC he worked with, a good run as OC with the Bengals, but he was anchored DOWN by Allenís personnel mistakes AND he never really nailed down a very good DC.


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His OC run with the Bengals was not that great. But his last name was.
And Zorn wasnít an unknown commodity. He was a player coach in the league for 100 years. Gruden was a mediocre OC and an awful HC and there are literally hundreds of people out there who are better than him. But they arenít part of the old boys network.
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Zorn had been a QB coach for many years. That means he was never considered good enough to move up, as many better coaches do over time. He was locked into a limited role as a minor coach.

He came to interview with Snyder and Cerrato for the HC job and got it because he gave a very good presentation. He did poorly a a HC and was over whelmed. After 2 years he was fired and then went back to being a lowly QB coach again.

The lesson is this: If other teams donít think a coach can move up and donít trust him to progress, it was stupid of Snyder to think he knew better.


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Zorn had been a QB coach for many years. That means he was never considered good enough to move up, as many better coaches do over time. He was locked into a limited role as a minor coach.

He came to interview with Snyder and Cerrato for the HC job and got it because he gave a very good presentation. He did poorly a a HC and was over whelmed. After 2 years he was fired and then went back to being a lowly QB coach again.

The lesson is this: If other teams donít think a coach can move up and donít trust him to progress, it was stupid of Snyder to think he knew better.


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I thought Zorn was bought in as OC and than when nobody wanted the job he sort of fell into the HC position? Could be wrong about some or all of that. Anyway we can both agree Snyder is an absolute idiot. Lol
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I thought Zorn was bought in as OC and than when nobody wanted the job he sort of fell into the HC position? Could be wrong about some or all of that. Anyway we can both agree Snyder is an absolute idiot. Lol
I think that's exactly what happened. Synder was hiring all the coaches before he even had a HC. It was ass backwards.
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I think that's exactly what happened. Synder was hiring all the coaches before he even had a HC. It was ass backwards.


I think Zorn interviewed for OC, but gave a powerful enough presentation to Snyder/ Carrara that they eventually moved him up to HC. Also, I donít think Snyder was getting elite HC applicants due to Cerrato being the GM and Snyderís micromanagement and bumbling interventions.

BL- just because you can give a great PowerPoint presentation, doesnít mean to know how to lead a NFL franchise.


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