Taylor or Winslow...

Ghost · 04-03-2004, 08:51 PM

Taylor and Udeze! What a devastating combination that would be. I'm all for it ... someone call Vinny and make it happen.

lefty · 04-04-2004, 09:23 AM

taylor, if only to see him nail shockey and owens

SKINSnCANES · 04-04-2004, 03:24 PM

Id rather see Taylor keep picking the ball from the air when shockey and owens try to get it and have Bowen smack them to the groud while they are searching for teh ball.

Defensewins · 04-04-2004, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Ghost

....But remember when the Rams won it all with no D to speak of? Hmmm.

Hhhhmmmm I think you are mistaken.
According to: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/ram1999.htm
the Rams defense allowed the 4th lowest points scored on them in the NFL in the year they won the 1999-2000 super bowl. So they had the 4th best defense in the NFL that year in points allowed (which is the best measure of defense).

That era Rams are the perfect example to explain my rants about the importance of defense.
The 1999-2000 Rams had the #1 scoring offense and #4 least scored on defense in the NFL and won the Superbowl.
The 2000-2001 Rams again had the #1 scoring offense, but the #31 out of 31 teams, most scored on defense. Needless to say they did not win the superbowl in 2000-2001.
Which proves you can have the #1 scoring offense in the NFL, but you need a good Defense to win it all!

SKINSnCANES · 04-04-2004, 04:22 PM

Defense is based on yards allowed, not points. The Skins has what, the number 4,5? d with Lewis but gave up almost the most points. If you have a good O you keep your D off the field more. The rams had a good secondary those years, id be interested to know how many pics they had.

Defensewins · 04-05-2004, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by SKINSnCANES

Defense is based on yards allowed, not points. The Skins has what, the number 4,5? d with Lewis but gave up almost the most points. If you have a good O you keep your D off the field more. The rams had a good secondary those years, id be interested to know how many pics they had.

We have to agree to disagree about what defense is based on. To me, you win or lose a game by the final score of the game....not on the stats of yards given up or gained.
If my defense holds it's opponents scoreless, but gives up a few extra yards in the process, I can live with that. The main goal of a defense should be to :
1) prevent the other team from scoring
2) get the ball back to the offense
Then we can later worry about yards given up and individual stats, because we won the game.
Al Davis put it best "just win baby".
I don't care if we win 3-0, just win.

Your example of the Redskins defense under Lewis that finished 4th or 5th in yards statistics perfectly explains my point. What good is finishing 4th or 5th in yards if you give up the most points. There are many games you can point to where the team that overwhelmingly out gained the other in yards, but lost the game.

SKINSnCANES · 04-05-2004, 01:04 PM

I agree with you, I was just saying what the league ranks them by. The Skins under Lewis didnt give up many yards becuase our Offense was horrible, not to mention the special teams

Cush · 04-05-2004, 01:21 PM

If it's between those two I'd go with Taylor. I'm not sure how Winslow would be used in Gibbs' offense, as he appears to be more of a receiver than blocker.

SKINSnCANES · 04-05-2004, 01:26 PM

He can block, he can pancake a LB, I promise.

Jamaican'Skin · 04-05-2004, 01:31 PM

I still prefer "The Next Ronnie Lott"

RedskinRat · 04-05-2004, 02:01 PM

I'm all for 'The First Sean Taylor'. We haven't had a killer Safety since.......Yikes!

Daseal · 04-05-2004, 05:41 PM

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Id rather see Taylor keep picking the ball from the air when shockey and owens try to get it and have Bowen smack them to the groud while they are searching for teh ball.

Only problem with this is Bowen would completely miss SHockey or Owens and go flying into the Redskin bench and knock poor trung out! Again!

SmootSmack · 04-05-2004, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by RedskinRat

I'm all for 'The First Sean Taylor'. We haven't had a killer Safety since.......Yikes!

This is so wrong and so tasteless and I'm going to run wind sprints up and down the stadium steps as a self-imposed punishment but we haven't had a killer safety/db since http://starbulletin.com/1999/08/25/sports/story1.html

SKINSnCANES · 04-05-2004, 06:49 PM

Can anyone tell me who we had at Safety in the past, I cant think of any that wer ehere before Sam Shade

SmootSmack · 04-05-2004, 06:55 PM

off the top of my head...Mark Murphy, Curtis Jordan, Alvin Walton, Todd Bowles, James Washington

View Poll Results: Who Should the Redskins Draft at #5
Sean Taylor	47	85.45%
Kellen Winslow	8	14.55%
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04-04-2004, 03:24 PM	#33
SKINSnCANES Pro Bowl Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: New Jersey Age: 41 Posts: 5,453	Id rather see Taylor keep picking the ball from the air when shockey and owens try to get it and have Bowen smack them to the groud while they are searching for teh ball. __________________ "I'm used to winning, coming from the University of Miami. " Clinton Portis

04-04-2004, 04:22 PM	#35
SKINSnCANES Pro Bowl Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: New Jersey Age: 41 Posts: 5,453	Defense is based on yards allowed, not points. The Skins has what, the number 4,5? d with Lewis but gave up almost the most points. If you have a good O you keep your D off the field more. The rams had a good secondary those years, id be interested to know how many pics they had. __________________ "I'm used to winning, coming from the University of Miami. " Clinton Portis

04-05-2004, 01:04 PM	#37
SKINSnCANES Pro Bowl Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: New Jersey Age: 41 Posts: 5,453	I agree with you, I was just saying what the league ranks them by. The Skins under Lewis didnt give up many yards becuase our Offense was horrible, not to mention the special teams __________________ "I'm used to winning, coming from the University of Miami. " Clinton Portis

04-05-2004, 01:26 PM	#39
SKINSnCANES Pro Bowl Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: New Jersey Age: 41 Posts: 5,453	He can block, he can pancake a LB, I promise. __________________ "I'm used to winning, coming from the University of Miami. " Clinton Portis

04-03-2004, 08:51 PM	#31
Ghost Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 298	Taylor and Udeze! What a devastating combination that would be. I'm all for it ... someone call Vinny and make it happen.

04-04-2004, 09:23 AM	#32
lefty Camp Scrub Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: chester, uk Age: 46 Posts: 12	taylor, if only to see him nail shockey and owens

04-05-2004, 01:21 PM	#38
Cush Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Northern Virginia Age: 46 Posts: 963	If it's between those two I'd go with Taylor. I'm not sure how Winslow would be used in Gibbs' offense, as he appears to be more of a receiver than blocker.

04-05-2004, 01:31 PM	#40
Jamaican'Skin The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Kingston, Jamaica Age: 37 Posts: 2,418	I still prefer "The Next Ronnie Lott"

04-05-2004, 02:01 PM	#41
RedskinRat Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: I'm in LA, trick! Posts: 8,700	I'm all for 'The First Sean Taylor'. We haven't had a killer Safety since.......Yikes!

04-05-2004, 06:49 PM	#44
SKINSnCANES Pro Bowl Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: New Jersey Age: 41 Posts: 5,453	Can anyone tell me who we had at Safety in the past, I cant think of any that wer ehere before Sam Shade __________________ "I'm used to winning, coming from the University of Miami. " Clinton Portis

04-05-2004, 06:55 PM	#45
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	off the top of my head...Mark Murphy, Curtis Jordan, Alvin Walton, Todd Bowles, James Washington __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

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