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Old 10-11-2019, 05:30 PM   #91
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Should have fired Jay after last season and started over with a new HC. Also should have cleaned house and traded off assets like Trent, Kerrigan, Norman, etc., and went the nuclear route and cut Alex Smith. This team is never proactive, always reactive. Big reason why we're always spinning our wheels.
Jordan Reed needs to go as well. We have to get rid of all of the past mistakes.
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Old 10-12-2019, 02:11 AM   #92
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Jordan Reed needs to go as well. We have to get rid of all of the past mistakes.


Agreed on Reed, TW, Norman, Richardson, Moses (worth a ham sandwich), Scherff, Vernon Davis,etc. we need to get as many draft picks as possible for the 2020 draft and the new HC.

Biggest chance to get first rate HC is to fire BA, which remains a very remote possibility. Offer the HC position with an open GM position. Take Snyder out of personnel loop.


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Agreed on Reed, TW, Norman, Richardson, Moses (worth a ham sandwich), Scherff, Vernon Davis,etc. we need to get as many draft picks as possible for the 2020 draft and the new HC.

Biggest chance to get first rate HC is to fire BA, which remains a very remote possibility. Offer the HC position with an open GM position. Take Snyder out of personnel loop.


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Old 10-13-2019, 07:42 PM   #94
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Will the Current Treatment of HASKINS Effect His Tenure and Performance with the Redskins?

I doubt Reed will ever play in the NFL again. Vernon Davis is old and was kept on even though he is a terrible blocking TE. VD was one of Grudenís pets, same as Colt McCoy, who will be gone next year.

If the team REALLY wants a HC like Tomlin, then Snyder & BA are going to have to surrender some of their power. Iíve seen article after article which rightly blames the two-decade long losing streak of Danny Snyder, ON Snyder. Only a fool or someone who just wants to CASH IN, will come here under the current management circumstances.


BA may live in LA-LA land and and pretend everything is fine, but serious NFL guys like Tomlin arenít even going to consider the Redskins, unless the Snyder/BA AMATEUR HOUR ends.

Finally I understand why BA hasnít done anything with TW. TW IS THE BAIT TO GET THE STEELERS TO GIVE UP TOMLIN.


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Old 10-30-2019, 07:25 AM   #95
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Heís not ready.

But the reasons why heís not ready are the real issue.

-Jay didnít want to draft him

-Jay has made no effort to prepare him (no first team reps at all, didnít build the offense around him-Kylar Murray was a 1 year starter at OU and is having success in an offense and scheme built around him)

-The QBs that Jay actually WANTS to play STILL donít play well- suggesting that Jay wouldnít even know how to prepare him IF he wanted to

-The team isnít good enough to support a rookie QB
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Heís not ready.



But the reasons why heís not ready are the real issue.



-Jay didnít want to draft him



-Jay has made no effort to prepare him (no first team reps at all, didnít build the offense around him-Kylar Murray was a 1 year starter at OU and is having success in an offense and scheme built around him)



-The QBs that Jay actually WANTS to play STILL donít play well- suggesting that Jay wouldnít even know how to prepare him IF he wanted to



-The team isnít good enough to support a rookie QB


First, why are you speak of Jay in the present tense. Jay was was fired almost a month ago.

Second, you neglected to mention the single biggest reason heís not ready:

Haskins doesnít know the playbook. Heís been here 6 months and doesnít know the playbook. Thatís 100% on him.


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Old 10-30-2019, 10:33 AM   #97
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Alex Smith had problems picking up the offense as well. Just saying, don't kill the rookie when he's never had to learn a pro offense before and his college system didn't prep him at all for this.
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Alex Smith had problems picking up the offense as well. Just saying, don't kill the rookie when he's never had to learn a pro offense before and his college system didn't prep him at all for this.
As a backup, Haskins only job has been to learn the playbook. There's no excuse to be as clueless as he is 6 months in. APs comments would seem to indicate Haskins never really bothered. From what Sheehan has said, Haskin is the kind of guy that will put forth effort if he's "the guy" but completely not interested and disengaged if he's not. If he had been putting in the work from Day 1, perhaps he would be more prepared to be the starter.
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Re: Will the Current Treatment of HASKINS Effect His Tenure and Performance with the Redskins?

Question: will the Redskins use their top draft pick on a QB in 2020, if Haskins makes no progress this season?

Usually drafted QB get up to two seasons to prove themselves. Will he have that time or will the get a new QB draftee and either: have a QB competition or just dump Haskins for what they can get?


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Question: will the Redskins use their top draft pick on a QB in 2020, if Haskins makes no progress this season?

Usually drafted QB get up to two seasons to prove themselves. Will he have that time or will the get a new QB draftee and either: have a QB competition or just dump Haskins for what they can get?


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I think their plan all along was to sit Haskins this year. I really don't think they care about him playing this year. They knew coming in he was going to be a project.
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As a backup, Haskins only job has been to learn the playbook. There's no excuse to be as clueless as he is 6 months in. APs comments would seem to indicate Haskins never really bothered. From what Sheehan has said, Haskin is the kind of guy that will put forth effort if he's "the guy" but completely not interested and disengaged if he's not. If he had been putting in the work from Day 1, perhaps he would be more prepared to be the starter.
As a starter it was Smith's job to learn it too and he struggled as we saw. There's a lot more to what he's trying to learn than just memorizing plays.
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Old 10-30-2019, 11:31 AM   #102
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As a starter it was Smith's job to learn it too and he struggled as we saw. There's a lot more to what he's trying to learn than just memorizing plays.
I do agree that its not fair to compare a seasoned veteran to a rookie when it comes to learning the playbook. The problem is that Haskins supposedly was not putting forth the effort to try. I will root for a player who is trying and struggling. I won't root for one who is lazy, entitled, and not putting in the work. Supposedly Haskins is finally starting to put in the work, but he would be much farther along if he had been doing this from day one.
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Old 10-30-2019, 11:34 AM   #103
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Question: will the Redskins use their top draft pick on a QB in 2020, if Haskins makes no progress this season?

Usually drafted QB get up to two seasons to prove themselves. Will he have that time or will the get a new QB draftee and either: have a QB competition or just dump Haskins for what they can get?


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I think it depends on where we draft and who is available. Between Chase Young and the QBs, we are bound to have the option to select a "cant-miss" franchise player or have multiple offers to trade down.

As much as I am critical of Haskins, I do hope he gets on the field this year and shows us SOMETHING so that we have more options/leverage next year.
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Old 10-30-2019, 11:39 AM   #104
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Re: Will the Current Treatment of HASKINS Effect His Tenure and Performance with the Redskins?

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As a backup, Haskins only job has been to learn the playbook. There's no excuse to be as clueless as he is 6 months in. APs comments would seem to indicate Haskins never really bothered. From what Sheehan has said, Haskin is the kind of guy that will put forth effort if he's "the guy" but completely not interested and disengaged if he's not. If he had been putting in the work from Day 1, perhaps he would be more prepared to be the starter.
Ive read this from several people but what AP comments are we talking about?

NFL Network's Mike Garafolo's reporting that AP said Haskins doesnt know the playbook have been dismissed as not true by AP.

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ďAfter the game, I am told that he mentioned to Dwayne Haskins, ĎGet your nose in the playbook and learn these plays. Everyone thinks you donít know them. Youíre proving them right. It is time to study the playbook. Know these things inside, outside, frontwards, backwards, and everything you can,íĒ Garofolo said. ďIf Adrian Peterson is telling you this, Dwayne Haskins, itís time man. Itís time.Ē

There are a couple of people who are disputing Garofoloís report, and they are pretty familiar with the story. That story reached both Peterson and Haskins on Twitter, and both players denied that Peterson said those things to Haskins. Peterson requested that Garofolo not report any words that the running back doesnít say himself and reaffirmed his believe in Haskins.

ďIf you didnít hear something direct from me, please donít attribute it to me,Ē Peterson tweeted. ďI believe in Dwayne and his potential. With more time, support & commitment, he can grown like any other rookie player.Ē

https://247sports.com/Article/Dwayne...ort-137611307/
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Old 10-30-2019, 11:48 AM   #105
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Re: Will the Current Treatment of HASKINS Effect His Tenure and Performance with the Redskins?

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As a starter it was Smith's job to learn it too and he struggled as we saw. There's a lot more to what he's trying to learn than just memorizing plays.
Not only that but the learning comes through reps on the field as well and instead of pushing Haskins from the start Gruden pushed for his guy to get equal reps until he had to admit he wasn't physically able, then JG split reps with a vet who has been in many systems and Haskins. It is not all JGs fault, Haskins bears his part but don't make it all on DH by any means.

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