Signing Walter Rasby

Defensewins · 03-08-2004, 11:03 AM

I have changed my mind about trading down. I think drafting S Sean Taylor gives us the most value and makes the most sense. He will be an instant starter and a All Star for years to come at a very important position.
I don't see any DE in the draft (including Udeze or Will Smith) that will start over Renaldo Wynn, Regan Upshaw or Phillip Daniels this coming year. Why blow a top #5 pick on a situational, part time pass rusher?
The defensive Tackles are even worse this year then the DE's. I don't see one DT that can come in and be a difference maker and displace any of our current starters.
Why draft a player that will sit on the bench most of the time and collect a big paycheck.
S Sean Taylor is currently better then both of our safety's (Ohalete and Bowen). He will be an immediate upgrade and full time contributer. Plus moving Ohalete or Bowen to full time special teams duty will greatly improve the special teams.

offiss · 03-08-2004, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Defensewins

I have changed my mind about trading down. I think drafting S Sean Taylor gives us the most value and makes the most sense. He will be an instant starter and a All Star for years to come at a very important position.
I don't see any DE in the draft (including Udeze or Will Smith) that will start over Renaldo Wynn, Regan Upshaw or Phillip Daniels this coming year. Why blow a top #5 pick on a situational, part time pass rusher?
The defensive Tackles are even worse this year then the DE's. I don't see one DT that can come in and be a difference maker and displace any of our current starters.
Why draft a player that will sit on the bench most of the time and collect a big paycheck.
S Sean Taylor is currently better then both of our safety's (Ohalete and Bowen). He will be an immediate upgrade and full time contributer. Plus moving Ohalete or Bowen to full time special teams duty will greatly improve the special teams.

I agree on taylor with you DW but I have to say there is prob. 1/2 a dozen tackles [ at least ] in this draft better than what we have, there is some serious talent coming out this year in all positions that's why we have to strike while the iron is hot, taylor should be our first pick hopefully.

MTK · 03-08-2004, 11:55 AM

Alot depends on how the upcoming minicamp goes.

If Gibbs and the staff isn't content with Bowen and Ohalete, then Taylor could be a possibility.

But then again, if they think the d-line could use more work then trading down makes sense.

Defensewins · 03-08-2004, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by offiss

I agree on taylor with you DW but I have to say there is prob. 1/2 a dozen tackles [ at least ] in this draft better than what we have, there is some serious talent coming out this year in all positions that's why we have to strike while the iron is hot, taylor should be our first pick hopefully.

NY Jet DT Dewayne Robertson was a to 5 pick last year. There were several team trying to move up last year to get him. Robertson is rated better than any DT that is coming out this year. Despite that, Robertson had a major learning curve and took most of the season to become an adequate DT.
The highest rated DT this year (Tommie Harris) is not expected to get drafted until mid to late 1st round. Teams are always looking for DT's, so if there was a good one in this draft, you can bet he would be rated a top ten pick. But there is no can't miss DT this year.

hkh · 03-08-2004, 12:07 PM

The Sporting News now predicts the Redskins to take Mike Williams! Crazy, huh? They just said that if he drops to five we'll take him and build the team around Williams, Coles, and Portis. Now that would really be something but it seems highly unlikely. We just need more on the defensive side of the ball. However, I think that if we don't trade our pick, we will definately take one of the stud recievers over Winslow. The Gibbs offense needs a TE but not a great tight end. However, while the RBs and QBs changed over the years we always had a good corps of recievers (Monk, Clark, ...). To me, Winslow doesn't make sense. I say we take Taylor or trade down.

SkinsRock · 03-08-2004, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Alot depends on how the upcoming minicamp goes.

If Gibbs and the staff isn't content with Bowen and Ohalete, then Taylor could be a possibility.

But then again, if they think the d-line could use more work then trading down makes sense.

Matty, I think you hit the nail on the head about mini-camp. This year's team could be about 95% complete by mini-camp at the end of the month, so that:
A. The players can begin to learn the systems and start developing chemistry with each other.
B. The coaches can determine the biggest weakness(es) to continue to address through FA and/or through the draft.

diehardskin2982 · 03-08-2004, 05:07 PM

I read somewhere that we may quietly still go after Sapp. If this is the case I could see us maybe droping a bomb in the draft by taking Mike William WR of USC with the 5th, then sending Gardner to the chiefs for their first and maybe fourth rounds. Then trading down futher to new england to get some picks and take the best overall center. it would be different but maybe it would happen.

Ade Jimoh Fan Club · 03-08-2004, 05:11 PM

True that Sapp is overhyped, but he ain't that bad either.... for the right price AND if he has his heart into it - I think he'd be a TREMENDOUS addition. Can he get along w/ LaVar though?? They were about in fist-to-cuffs this past season....

johnnyredskin63 · 03-08-2004, 05:23 PM

i do'nt care how good sapp is,he's a problem we do'nt need.why replace an all about me player with another all about me player?i hope the redskins learned their lesson with flash big name players when they signed pasttime sanders.warren sapp we do not need.

offiss · 03-08-2004, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Defensewins

NY Jet DT Dewayne Robertson was a to 5 pick last year. There were several team trying to move up last year to get him. Robertson is rated better than any DT that is coming out this year. Despite that, Robertson had a major learning curve and took most of the season to become an adequate DT.
The highest rated DT this year (Tommie Harris) is not expected to get drafted until mid to late 1st round. Teams are always looking for DT's, so if there was a good one in this draft, you can bet he would be rated a top ten pick. But there is no can't miss DT this year.

personally I said it last year, I thought that wilfork was better than robertson last year, he was the guy I wanted unfortunatly he stayed in school after his parent's were killed in a car accident, but I think he will be a much better pro than robertson, when it's all said and done there will be some other tackles having better careers than robertson, that were drafted last year incl. the kid from oklahoma who went to minnesota kevin williams. I am not big on harris, wilfork or stark's are the 2 I think will be big time.

johnnyredskin63 · 03-08-2004, 05:38 PM

gentlemen and ladies,i think that winslow is a redskin unless they trade down for more picks.i just have a gut feeling if he's there gibbs will take him because he's too good to pass up.

03-08-2004, 05:23 PM	#24
johnnyredskin63 Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 203	i do'nt care how good sapp is,he's a problem we do'nt need.why replace an all about me player with another all about me player?i hope the redskins learned their lesson with flash big name players when they signed pasttime sanders.warren sapp we do not need. __________________ it's me,bigredskinfan63 bigledzepfan63 "the sea was red and the sky was grey,wondered how tommorow could ever follow today HAIL TO THE REDSKINS always remember ladies and germs-THE COWBOYS SUCK

03-08-2004, 05:38 PM	#26
johnnyredskin63 Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 203	gentlemen and ladies,i think that winslow is a redskin unless they trade down for more picks.i just have a gut feeling if he's there gibbs will take him because he's too good to pass up. __________________ it's me,bigredskinfan63 bigledzepfan63 "the sea was red and the sky was grey,wondered how tommorow could ever follow today HAIL TO THE REDSKINS always remember ladies and germs-THE COWBOYS SUCK

03-08-2004, 11:03 AM	#16
Defensewins Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 3,742	I have changed my mind about trading down. I think drafting S Sean Taylor gives us the most value and makes the most sense. He will be an instant starter and a All Star for years to come at a very important position. I don't see any DE in the draft (including Udeze or Will Smith) that will start over Renaldo Wynn, Regan Upshaw or Phillip Daniels this coming year. Why blow a top #5 pick on a situational, part time pass rusher? The defensive Tackles are even worse this year then the DE's. I don't see one DT that can come in and be a difference maker and displace any of our current starters. Why draft a player that will sit on the bench most of the time and collect a big paycheck. S Sean Taylor is currently better then both of our safety's (Ohalete and Bowen). He will be an immediate upgrade and full time contributer. Plus moving Ohalete or Bowen to full time special teams duty will greatly improve the special teams.

03-08-2004, 11:55 AM	#18
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 51 Posts: 99,360	Alot depends on how the upcoming minicamp goes. If Gibbs and the staff isn't content with Bowen and Ohalete, then Taylor could be a possibility. But then again, if they think the d-line could use more work then trading down makes sense.

03-08-2004, 12:07 PM	#20
hkh Camp Scrub Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 5	The Sporting News now predicts the Redskins to take Mike Williams! Crazy, huh? They just said that if he drops to five we'll take him and build the team around Williams, Coles, and Portis. Now that would really be something but it seems highly unlikely. We just need more on the defensive side of the ball. However, I think that if we don't trade our pick, we will definately take one of the stud recievers over Winslow. The Gibbs offense needs a TE but not a great tight end. However, while the RBs and QBs changed over the years we always had a good corps of recievers (Monk, Clark, ...). To me, Winslow doesn't make sense. I say we take Taylor or trade down.

03-08-2004, 05:07 PM	#22
diehardskin2982 Another Year, another mess. Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,581	I read somewhere that we may quietly still go after Sapp. If this is the case I could see us maybe droping a bomb in the draft by taking Mike William WR of USC with the 5th, then sending Gardner to the chiefs for their first and maybe fourth rounds. Then trading down futher to new england to get some picks and take the best overall center. it would be different but maybe it would happen.

03-08-2004, 05:11 PM	#23
Ade Jimoh Fan Club Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 410	True that Sapp is overhyped, but he ain't that bad either.... for the right price AND if he has his heart into it - I think he'd be a TREMENDOUS addition. Can he get along w/ LaVar though?? They were about in fist-to-cuffs this past season....

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