which player has more to prove

jasonskin · 05-26-2004, 01:15 PM

Which of the following players has the most to prove this upcoming season.

Mark Brunell:He still has it
Clinton Portis:He is not a product of the Broncos' OL
Chris Samuels:He is worth the 3rd overall pick
Taylor Jacobs:He can play as a 1st-2nd rounder
Rod Gardner:He can be are number 2 receiver
LaVar Arrington:He can be the best OLB and maybe the D MVP
Fred Smoot:He can be a number 1 cornerback
Shawn Springs:He can stay healthy and be a premier back
Sean Taylor:He can live up to all the hype

RedskinRat · 05-26-2004, 01:39 PM

Nice question Jason, it's a tough one too.

I'd probably say that the team as a whole has to prove that they care about being Redskins as much as we care about the Redskins as a team.

lifetimeskin · 05-26-2004, 01:57 PM

I think for someone to have something to prove, they must be coming from something less than good. Accordingly, I would say that Samuels would be at the top of my list, with Springs/Jacobs coming behind him to see if they can stay healthy.

I certainly don't see Portis/Smoot/Arrington/Gardner as having much to prove. They all had decent seasons.

I don't see Taylor having much to prove.

Drift Reality · 05-26-2004, 02:34 PM

I think that the player with the most to prove is Norman Heur.

Can he be the unmovable force he was in College?

Can he strike fear into the heart of opposing quarterbacks the way he did in College?

I don't know.

We'll have to wait and see.

Darock · 05-26-2004, 02:39 PM

That's the best damn question I've been asked all offseason..That is a tough one I will have to think about...Good post!

sportscurmudgeon · 05-26-2004, 02:49 PM

Is this Rod Gardner's contract year? I don't remember.

If so, Gardner has the most to prove because if he puts up another mediocre season, he will not cash in during the free agent sweepstakes next March/April. No team will sign him to be their #1 reciever and most teams don't pay big bucks for #2/#3 receivers.

skinsguy · 05-26-2004, 03:04 PM

I think the first person that definitely has something to prove is Patrick Ramsey. He'll have to prove that he can win the QB spot over Brunnell, which in my opinion, Mark will have without a shadow of a doubt.

SmootSmack · 05-26-2004, 03:16 PM

J-Skin, my man! After weeks of posting new thread after new thread with a few bricks and airballs along the way your perserverance pays off and you bury the half-court buzzer-beater, nothing but net! Nice post buddy!

As for your question. I'm still thinking about it. I was leaning toward Sean Taylor. First pick of the second Gibbs era, chosen over Kellen "The Chosen One" Winslow II, etc. but now I'm actually starting to lean toward Brandon Noble.

MTK · 05-26-2004, 04:07 PM

I hate to dodge the question here a bit but I think the whole organization has something to prove. Since Snyder took over the team has gone to the playoffs once, and that was a team that he inherited and didn't have a chance to mess with. Each offseason it's been the same story, splashy acquisitions, coaching changes, etc., and every season it's the same story, no playoffs.

OaklandSkinz · 05-26-2004, 04:20 PM

Tough one!!! But...I'd have to say Gardner definitely needs to prove he can be a fricken No. 2 Reciever(Jacobs, not sure), even have to throw Springs in the mix, cuz he has to prove he can stay effective AND HEALTHY.

PSUskinsfan11 · 05-26-2004, 04:21 PM

I would say Jacobs especially with McCants showing how good he is last season and Springs because alot of people are saying he is old and injury prone. Also I think this is a good time for Griffin to show he can be dominant. When he was in New York he had a better line and here well we all know what our line is like so hopefully he can shine.

Bergman14 · 05-26-2004, 04:57 PM

It has to be Brunell, he can really make a name for himself again in Washington.

BrudLee · 05-26-2004, 04:58 PM

Probably Rod Gardner. He is an afterthought since being drafted #15 overall, and with rising competition and a new coaching staff, he needs to show he is more than a number two, but that he's on par with Coles.

To answer SportsCurmudgeon, he is signed through 2005, but his base salary jumped from under $400k to over $1 million this year. That jumps to $1.447 million next year, so the future is now for him as a Skin.

CrazyCanuck · 05-26-2004, 05:16 PM

Samuels

Gmanc711 · 05-26-2004, 05:53 PM

I think Brunell. Everyone already has him coming in as the starter, and the next big thing here in Washington. I think he has to prove he still belongs out on the feild as a #1 starter. I dont think Jacobs or Taylor really have anything to prove, they are essecially both rookies ( Jacobs out all of last year ) , and have to get up to NFL standards. Good Post, and Good question Jasonskin.

05-26-2004, 03:04 PM	#7
skinsguy Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Greensboro, North Carolina Posts: 6,766	I think the first person that definitely has something to prove is Patrick Ramsey. He'll have to prove that he can win the QB spot over Brunnell, which in my opinion, Mark will have without a shadow of a doubt. __________________ "Fire Up That Diesel!"

05-26-2004, 03:16 PM	#8
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	J-Skin, my man! After weeks of posting new thread after new thread with a few bricks and airballs along the way your perserverance pays off and you bury the half-court buzzer-beater, nothing but net! Nice post buddy! As for your question. I'm still thinking about it. I was leaning toward Sean Taylor. First pick of the second Gibbs era, chosen over Kellen "The Chosen One" Winslow II, etc. but now I'm actually starting to lean toward Brandon Noble. __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

05-26-2004, 04:58 PM	#13
BrudLee Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Rehoboth Beach, DE Posts: 3,494	Probably Rod Gardner. He is an afterthought since being drafted #15 overall, and with rising competition and a new coaching staff, he needs to show he is more than a number two, but that he's on par with Coles. To answer SportsCurmudgeon, he is signed through 2005, but his base salary jumped from under $400k to over $1 million this year. That jumps to $1.447 million next year, so the future is now for him as a Skin. __________________ There's nowhere to go but up. Or down. I guess we could stay where we are, too. Last edited by BrudLee; 05-26-2004 at 06:15 PM.

05-26-2004, 01:15 PM	#1
jasonskin Special Teams Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: washington dc Age: 41 Posts: 148	which player has more to prove Which of the following players has the most to prove this upcoming season. Mark Brunell:He still has it Clinton Portis:He is not a product of the Broncos' OL Chris Samuels:He is worth the 3rd overall pick Taylor Jacobs:He can play as a 1st-2nd rounder Rod Gardner:He can be are number 2 receiver LaVar Arrington:He can be the best OLB and maybe the D MVP Fred Smoot:He can be a number 1 cornerback Shawn Springs:He can stay healthy and be a premier back Sean Taylor:He can live up to all the hype

05-26-2004, 01:39 PM	#2
RedskinRat Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: I'm in LA, trick! Posts: 8,700	Nice question Jason, it's a tough one too. I'd probably say that the team as a whole has to prove that they care about being Redskins as much as we care about the Redskins as a team.

05-26-2004, 01:57 PM	#3
lifetimeskin Camp Scrub Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Maryland Age: 58 Posts: 84	I think for someone to have something to prove, they must be coming from something less than good. Accordingly, I would say that Samuels would be at the top of my list, with Springs/Jacobs coming behind him to see if they can stay healthy. I certainly don't see Portis/Smoot/Arrington/Gardner as having much to prove. They all had decent seasons. I don't see Taylor having much to prove. __________________ ---lifetime skin

05-26-2004, 02:34 PM	#4
Drift Reality Impact Rookie Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 506	I think that the player with the most to prove is Norman Heur. Can he be the unmovable force he was in College? Can he strike fear into the heart of opposing quarterbacks the way he did in College? I don't know. We'll have to wait and see.

05-26-2004, 02:39 PM	#5
Darock Camp Scrub Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 31	That's the best damn question I've been asked all offseason..That is a tough one I will have to think about...Good post!

05-26-2004, 02:49 PM	#6
sportscurmudgeon Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,159	Is this Rod Gardner's contract year? I don't remember. If so, Gardner has the most to prove because if he puts up another mediocre season, he will not cash in during the free agent sweepstakes next March/April. No team will sign him to be their #1 reciever and most teams don't pay big bucks for #2/#3 receivers.

05-26-2004, 04:07 PM	#9
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 51 Posts: 99,345	I hate to dodge the question here a bit but I think the whole organization has something to prove. Since Snyder took over the team has gone to the playoffs once, and that was a team that he inherited and didn't have a chance to mess with. Each offseason it's been the same story, splashy acquisitions, coaching changes, etc., and every season it's the same story, no playoffs.

05-26-2004, 04:20 PM	#10
OaklandSkinz Camp Scrub Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 19	Tough one!!! But...I'd have to say Gardner definitely needs to prove he can be a fricken No. 2 Reciever(Jacobs, not sure), even have to throw Springs in the mix, cuz he has to prove he can stay effective AND HEALTHY.

05-26-2004, 04:21 PM	#11
PSUskinsfan11 Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: the port, PA Age: 39 Posts: 692	I would say Jacobs especially with McCants showing how good he is last season and Springs because alot of people are saying he is old and injury prone. Also I think this is a good time for Griffin to show he can be dominant. When he was in New York he had a better line and here well we all know what our line is like so hopefully he can shine.

05-26-2004, 04:57 PM	#12
Bergman14 Special Teams Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Winston-Salem Age: 40 Posts: 138	It has to be Brunell, he can really make a name for himself again in Washington.

05-26-2004, 05:16 PM	#14
CrazyCanuck Serenity Now Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 2,008	Samuels

05-26-2004, 05:53 PM	#15
Gmanc711 Thank You, Sean. Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Gaithersburg, MD Age: 38 Posts: 7,506	I think Brunell. Everyone already has him coming in as the starter, and the next big thing here in Washington. I think he has to prove he still belongs out on the feild as a #1 starter. I dont think Jacobs or Taylor really have anything to prove, they are essecially both rookies ( Jacobs out all of last year ) , and have to get up to NFL standards. Good Post, and Good question Jasonskin.

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