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Old 11-26-2018, 07:38 PM   #1
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Is it time to seriously consider a replacement at HC?

I'll admit I was never 100% a Gruden guy but he's had his upside. I've been less impressed with the way the team seems to be unprepared to play the game, that he seems to be afraid of making adjustments in-game and that he doesn't seem to be progressing as a head coach. I came across this article from early 2014 which seems to have nailed Gruden before he was hired and it only highlighted my concerns.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...XM0qlr2Nue0Xj0

I am a believer that continuity is more important than making a change for the sake of change. I don't want to see them fire Gruden without at least a commitment in hand from someone arguably better. There just doesn't seem to be a surplus of quality head coaching candidates right now. That said, if this writer could nail Grudens shortcomings 5 years ago and all of them appear to hold true after 5 years on the job, how can we expect improvement in years 6, 7 or 8?
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Old 11-26-2018, 08:34 PM   #2
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Re: Is it time to seriously consider a replacement at HC?

Yes. Yes. And Yes.
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Old 11-26-2018, 08:48 PM   #3
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Re: Is it time to seriously consider a replacement at HC?

Gruden was a good bridge to stability. Now we need to get to the next step. Stability and consistent playoff/SB aspirations. The thing is who do we have in the FO that can find that candidate, and who is the candidate out there right now?
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Old 11-26-2018, 09:24 PM   #4
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Re: Is it time to seriously consider a replacement at HC?

Agree, we should be looking to trade up, but not for for the sake of firing.

An up and comer like McVay for instance.

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Old 11-26-2018, 10:52 PM   #6
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Re: Is it time to seriously consider a replacement at HC?

Stability is the key in the NFL. I'd say we need to see how he does in the last five games.

We need a REAL GM, not named Bruce Allen. He is terrible and must be replaced at GM. Let the new GM decide what to do with Jay at the end of the season.
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Old 11-26-2018, 11:15 PM   #7
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Re: Is it time to seriously consider a replacement at HC?

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Stability is the key in the NFL. I'd say we need to see how he does in the last five games.

We need a REAL GM, not named Bruce Allen. He is terrible and must be replaced at GM. Let the new GM decide what to do with Jay at the end of the season.
I don't get the BA hate here. Since he came and and has settled DS down, we have gotten our cap in solid shape, regardless of what people moan about on here our drafts under him and Doug Williams have been good to above average. Our roster is as deep as it has ever been. His one failing, and its not minor, has been the qb position.

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Gruden is supposed to be a qb guru yet ours have consistently failed in big games, and underperformed at the beginning and end of the season. Gruden could be gone tomorrow and i wouldnt shed a tear, just hope DW, BA and DS have their eyes on the right next coach.
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Old 11-26-2018, 11:42 PM   #8
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Stability is the key in the NFL. I'd say we need to see how he does in the last five games.

We need a REAL GM, not named Bruce Allen. He is terrible and must be replaced at GM. Let the new GM decide what to do with Jay at the end of the season.
I agree.. You look at what a difference John Dorsey has meant to the Browns. We have to bring in a football minded GM. Bruce Allen hasn't been awful but the further he and Snyder get from the decision making process, the better the team seems to do. The guy just seems to be too concerned about having power rather than making solid football decisions.
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Old 11-27-2018, 12:27 AM   #9
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I don't get the BA hate here. Since he came and and has settled DS down, we have gotten our cap in solid shape, regardless of what people moan about on here our drafts under him and Doug Williams have been good to above average. Our roster is as deep as it has ever been. His one failing, and its not minor, has been the qb position.

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Gruden is supposed to be a qb guru yet ours have consistently failed in big games, and underperformed at the beginning and end of the season. Gruden could be gone tomorrow and i wouldnt shed a tear, just hope DW, BA and DS have their eyes on the right next coach.
Where’s the talent? The Skins have the worst Receiving Corp in the NFL.
The back end of our defense does not have one player we drafted starting right now this includes our ILBs Brown and Foster.
Dunbar brought in as a WR.

No drafted QBs on the roster.
Our two best running backs (AP and Bibbs) right now weren’t drafted by us.
Doctson experiment has been a complete waste. Couldn’t get a 600yard season from the guy.

Ionnides was the only player to contribute from his draft class (Cravens and Doctson draft class)

Matt Jones... Perine...


They’ve done a solid job building the Dline with some young guys that are showing a lot of promise but the Oline had holes and lack of depth since week 1.


We don’t have one, not one MFer at a skill position that is playing well. Not one!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 11-27-2018, 12:39 AM   #10
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Re: Is it time to seriously consider a replacement at HC?

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Where’s the talent? The Skins have the worst Receiving Corp in the NFL.
The back end of our defense does not have one player we drafted starting right now this includes our ILBs Brown and Foster.
Dunbar brought in as a WR.

No drafted QBs on the roster.
Our two best running backs (AP and Bibbs) right now weren’t drafted by us.
Doctson experiment has been a complete waste. Couldn’t get a 600yard season from the guy.

Ionnides was the only player to contribute from his draft class (Cravens and Doctson draft class)

Matt Jones... Perine...


They’ve done a solid job building the Dline with some young guys that are showing a lot of promise but the Oline had holes and lack of depth since week 1.


We don’t have one, not one MFer at a skill position that is playing well. Not one!!!!!!!!!!!
And they have VD scheduled to get $6.3 million and Richardson $7.5 million in 2019
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Old 11-27-2018, 12:56 AM   #11
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Re: Is it time to seriously consider a replacement at HC?

The problem with this team isn't ownership, or the coaching....the major obstacle with this team is the front office....

....the problem with this team is lack of depth....if you look at the teams Joe Gibbs had in the 1980s those teams were rock solid at every position....the starters on those teams could get hurt and the reserve players would fit right in and play at an elite level...same with New England...remember when Tom Brady went down in 2008 with an ACL and Matt Cassel just stepped in and the Parriots had an 11-5 year... the teams under Gibbs 2, Zorn, Shanahan, and Gruden don't have true talent beyond its starters....consider AP a backup for Guice....do they have many depth players at important positions like this? I know AP was signed after Guice's injury but the team's lack of depth are the main reasons why this team borders on .500 every year.
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Old 11-27-2018, 04:39 AM   #12
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We know who Gruden is and it's time to move in another direction. The area that he is most weakest it seems is attention to detail. For example he still doesn't know how to manage time outs and the clock. His playcalling is down right terrible. Where have the bootlegs been all year? I rarely saw any w/ Smith. Or the play action screen game? Why do you have the QB in shotgun all the time on 3rd and 1? If your offense struggles up the tempo, just do something. Do we even have a trick play in the playbook? He doesn't know how to manufacture points. Can he actually make adjustments on the fly?
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Old 11-27-2018, 04:58 AM   #13
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I don't get the BA hate here. Since he came and and has settled DS down, we have gotten our cap in solid shape, regardless of what people moan about on here our drafts under him and Doug Williams have been good to above average. Our roster is as deep as it has ever been. His one failing, and its not minor, has been the qb position.

BUT

Gruden is supposed to be a qb guru yet ours have consistently failed in big games, and underperformed at the beginning and end of the season. Gruden could be gone tomorrow and i wouldnt shed a tear, just hope DW, BA and DS have their eyes on the right next coach.
What?? Are you trolling? He has made 4 piss poor decisions in the QB area. That alone should get him fired. Snyder is a successful businessman and NFL owner. He doesn't or shouldn't need a damn babysitter. Besides, when the RG3 mess was going on, and they were giving him special treatment which pissed off half the team, who was right there next to Dan? Bruce was. Bruce wasn't putting a stop to any of that nonsense. He went along right w/ it. And to top it off he totally ruined the most important negotiation the team needed to close. Unforgivable.

Bruce is simply the kind of guy that will do anything to keep his job. He's a brown noser to the owner. Every big company has a guy like Bruce around.
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Old 11-27-2018, 09:48 AM   #14
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Re: Is it time to seriously consider a replacement at HC?

I think where we'd miss Gruden the most is the draft. He has a lot of input to the process. The board isn't his to own but the organization listens to him, and he breaks ties by occasionally standing on the table for somebody during the draft (Ioannidis).

But it's on the organization to get the right people in place regardless. I think we've seen what Gruden can do - he's OK but he doesn't elevate his talent. And I think he whiffed on the DC hire (Manusky).

I'd give him a chance though to show that he can coach McCoy into a successful performance down the stretch here. If we secure the division and McCoy looks good in the process I'd have to credit Gruden, even if I ultimately feel like I know his ceiling is 10-6. It would be enough to buy one more season.
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Old 11-27-2018, 09:56 AM   #15
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Yeah CRed you're off your rocker, bud. Bruce Allen has to go. I wholeheartedly believe the rumblings that Cousins wasn't at all interested in signing with Washington as long as Bruce Allen was still with the team. That was the single most embarrassing misplay of any player/contract situation in the entire NFL over the last five years. It has be be considered a fireable offense.
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