Trent Williams holding out for new deal

[MTK]

Rooney made public comments a few times about the AB situation if I recall correctly. He certainly didn't shy away from the issue.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...-antonio-brown

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by MTK

Rooney made public comments a few times about the AB situation if I recall correctly. He certainly didn't shy away from the issue.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...-antonio-brown

Rooney is one of the leagues more vocal owner's. Its the exception, not the rule. Additionally, the AB situation received much more publicity, both due to AB's public comments and due to the fact he's one of the most well-known players in the league. Fans of most of the other 31 NFL teams wouldn't know who Trent Williams was. And as has already been pointed out, Tomlin was asked about Bell and Brown constantly.

If there is discussion around a player on the team's roster, its almost always the coach speaking about it. If there is discussion about a transaction (such as a free agent signing or draft pick), the coach and GM will both talk about it. I would not expect Bruce or Doug to comment unless the situation escalates or Trent is moved.

[sandtrapjack]

Can't believe there is 14 pages to this thread when the answer is simple. Does not matter what team we are talking about, the owners holds all of the cards. The player has absolutely ZERO leverage. That is the way it is done with NFL contracts and it was collectively bargained. Meaning the players union agreed to it.

The team does not have to do anything. Nothing. Talk new deal all you want, but the facts of the matter are this:

- TW has 2 years on his current contract.
- Ownership retains his rights unless he is released, or they let him walk after the contract is done.
- Even if TW says "Eff-U, I'm retiring". If he 'unretires' in say 2 years, Washington still owns his rights and he is back at square one. But 2 years older and 2 years removed from Football. And still a Washington Redskin.

He can demand his release all he wants. When the club does not release him, his only recourse is either:
- Holdout into the regular season, thereby leaving millions on the table when he is not getting paid and being fined.
- Play

This is a game of chicken Williams cannot win.

That is it. Club does not have to do anything, again they hold 100% all of the leverage in this.

I stand my my previous statement that once game checks and paydays are at stake, Trent Williams will shut up about this, have a change of heart and suit up. Of course there will be the obligatory-face-saving press release from Trents camp that goes a little like "Trent wants to put his entire focus on the Redskins season and does not want any distractions regarding contract negotiations to hinder that, therefore it is his decision that he will forego any contract negotiations until the end of the season."

Sound familiar? That press release is a template on every agents Office365.
Just so happens the end of the regular season is when he will have 1 season on his current deal. That is when a deal gets done.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

can't believe there is 14 pages to this thread when the answer is simple. Does not matter what team we are talking about, the owners holds all of the cards. the player has absolutely zero leverage. That is the way it is done with nfl contracts and it was collectively bargained. Meaning the players union agreed to it.

The team does not have to do anything. Nothing. Talk new deal all you want, but the facts of the matter are this:

- tw has 2 years on his current contract.
- ownership retains his rights unless he is released, or they let him walk after the contract is done.
- even if tw says "eff-u, i'm retiring". If he 'unretires' in say 2 years, washington still owns his rights and he is back at square one. But 2 years older and 2 years removed from football. And still a washington redskin.

He can demand his release all he wants. When the club does not release him, his only recourse is either:
- holdout into the regular season, thereby leaving millions on the table when he is not getting paid and being fined.
- play

this is a game of chicken williams cannot win.

That is it. Club does not have to do anything, again they hold 100% all of the leverage in this.

I stand my my previous statement that once game checks and paydays are at stake, trent williams will shut up about this, have a change of heart and suit up. Of course there will be the obligatory-face-saving press release from trents camp that goes a little like "trent wants to put his entire focus on the redskins season and does not want any distractions regarding contract negotiations to hinder that, therefore it is his decision that he will forego any contract negotiations until the end of the season."

sound familiar? That press release is a template on every agents office365.
Just so happens the end of the regular season is when he will have 1 season on his current deal. That is when a deal gets done.

bingo

[MTK]

The exception comes with star players, that's their leverage. Otherwise holdouts would never work. Star players get their way more often than not.

[sandtrapjack]

Originally Posted by MTK

The exception comes with star players, that's their leverage. Otherwise holdouts would never work. Star players get their way more often than not.

I will concede your point. But the only time it has worked in the players favor was when Emmitt Smith held out in 1993. Smith held out for the first 2 weeks of the regular season, and the Cowboys started out 0-2. Smith got his payday that week and Dallas went 14-2 after that.

BUT>....that was a different time and a different CBA. I cannot recall a recent holdout except for LaVeon Bell. But Steelers run game did not slip too much without Bell last season.

[Tennskinsfan]

Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

I will concede your point. But the only time it has worked in the players favor was when Emmitt Smith held out in 1993. Smith held out for the first 2 weeks of the regular season, and the Cowboys started out 0-2. Smith got his payday that week and Dallas went 14-2 after that.

BUT>....that was a different time and a different CBA. I cannot recall a recent holdout except for LaVeon Bell. But Steelers run game did not slip too much without Bell last season.

That’s the thing out Oline would dramatically be downgraded without TW out there. With him continuing to age and his injury history. I would rather put him on the trading block and see what’s out there while he is still worth something than to have him be this years Mason Foster. His position and the lack of depth we have there puts quite a bit of power in his hands. Yes the Redskins hold his fate but he can put forth the bare minimum and we lose all around.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

I will concede your point. But the only time it has worked in the players favor was when Emmitt Smith held out in 1993. Smith held out for the first 2 weeks of the regular season, and the Cowboys started out 0-2. Smith got his payday that week and Dallas went 14-2 after that.

BUT>....that was a different time and a different CBA. I cannot recall a recent holdout except for LaVeon Bell. But Steelers run game did not slip too much without Bell last season.

Usually it doesn't get to holdout, players renegotiate deals all the time

[BigHairedAristocrat]

So now that Bruce has talked to the media, what will Sheehan and Loverro criticize Allen for now?

https://www.nbcsports.com/washington...now-what-truth

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

So now that Bruce has talked to the media, what will Sheehan and Loverro criticize Allen for now?

https://www.nbcsports.com/washington...now-what-truth

FYI cooley on Sheehan today and it’s good. Cooley said this is a big deal especially when Trent is probably the most respected player on the team. Cooley said he couldn’t imagine the team doctor not giving Trent proper time, advice and treatment.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

FYI cooley on Sheehan today and it’s good. Cooley said this is a big deal especially when Trent is probably the most respected player on the team. Cooley said he couldn’t imagine the team doctor not giving Trent proper time, advice and treatment.

Yeah, I listed to it as well. We certainly don't have all the details, but more likely than not, this is almost entirely about the money.

[calia]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

So now that Bruce has talked to the media, what will Sheehan and Loverro criticize Allen for now?

https://www.nbcsports.com/washington...now-what-truth

Nothing good can come of Bruce Allen speaking on this subject. Nothing. I would literally prefer anyone else in the organization. At least Allen didn't call him "Brent."

[DYoungJelly]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

So now that Bruce has talked to the media, what will Sheehan and Loverro criticize Allen for now?



https://www.nbcsports.com/washington...now-what-truth

Bruce very well might be telling the truth, but does anyone here have any confidence that he is?

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[mitch e]

maybe Atl would trade McGary straight up for TW. we could free up cap space and get a good young nasty tackle?

[skinsfan69]

sandtrapjack... we literally have nothing behind Williams. And at some point we'll be playing a rookie QB. That is his leverage. Yeah the team has more leverage, but he does have some.

I'm also confused why they didn't resign Ty. The Bills didn't give him a huge contract.